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TLJ Skywalker vs these two
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Zentrex
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Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Why bother asking why lol

I'd like to know. It's kind of the point of a forum.


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A lack of feats doesn't necessarily establish weakness, not when there's sufficient surrounding evidence to make us believe Luke is extremely powerful:

- That guidebook saying that Snoke thinks only a Skywalker can kill Luke
- Luke's potential hasn't been retconned, and indeed is reinforced by Kylo's (which suggests the Skywalker bloodline is still OP in canon)

Luke obviously destroys Kylo, and might beat the other two depending on how rusty he is.


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worth pointing out snoke had force knowledge that sidious dreamed of possessing, and he's implied to be <luke.

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What we did see from Luke though was extremely weak. Getting beat by two newbs

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He never got beat in a straight up fight.

He disarmed Rey who responded like a Psychotic by pulling out her Lightsaber in a stick fight. And he didnt defend himself against Kylo. He instead begged Kylo to calm down.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
worth pointing out snoke had force knowledge that sidious dreamed of possessing, and he's implied to be <luke.


Not to mention Luke probably is also in on some of this knowledge that Snoke has, because he rejected the jedi and began learning about the force through other methods.


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Lot of speculation

Facts:

ROTJ Luke was already =/> OT Vader in Saber combat.

Snoke wanted/needed Kylo to defeat Luke.

Lukes end feat was a new ability (in Canon), and clearly a very powerful one. According to Kylo a feat not even close to that would have liked Rey.

Luke casually disarmed Rey in their stick fight.

Rey and Kylo have equal potential.

Neither Snoke or Kylo believe Kylo is OT Vaders equal yet.

Snoke was killed by Kylo and would not face him without his guards. He seemingly has Zero ability to Saber fight.


Conclusion:

Clearly Luke is above Rey and Kylo (for now). Most probably still above Vader.

Hes clearly as powerful (or more so) than Yoda/Sidious, but has not displayed the combat ability to match/defeat them.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lot of speculation

Facts:

ROTJ Luke was already =/> OT Vader in Saber combat.

Snoke wanted/needed Kylo to defeat Luke.

Lukes end feat was a new ability (in Canon), and clearly a very powerful one. According to Kylo a feat not even close to that would have liked Rey.

Luke casually disarmed Rey in their stick fight.

Rey and Kylo have equal potential.

Neither Snoke or Kylo believe Kylo is OT Vaders equal yet.

Snoke was killed by Kylo and would not face him without his guards. He seemingly has Zero ability to Saber fight.


Conclusion:

Clearly Luke is above Rey and Kylo (for now). Most probably still above Vader.

Hes clearly as powerful (or more so) than Yoda/Sidious, but has not displayed the combat ability to match/defeat them.


I'm actually amazed...I agree with every word of that.

EDIT: scratch that, Snoke wanted Kylo's help to defeat who he thought was Luke, but was actually Rey.


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The sad thing is, I know you're not trolling. Tell us how you think that is?
Ben beat him on screen. We saw this projection duel Kylo and not have any advantages. Luke was out of practice and cut himself off the force for years while Kylo grew in power.

Yoda and Sidious are all past their primes in the ot. Luke is more powerful than both.


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^ Seriously just change your name to Trollster.
<y opinion is supported by facts and logic yours is supported by your imagination.


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Beats Kylo.

We have no legitimate reason to believe he can contend with Yoda or Palpatine, though.


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I don’t think Luke is anywhere near his Father, much less yoda or Sidious

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I don’t think Luke is anywhere near his Father, much less yoda or Sidious
Luke destroyed his pitiful father. Luke would have beaten Sidious in fair combat in Rotj imo.


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Luke bends Kylo over and goes in raw, no rubber.


He wouldnt beat Sidious nor Yoda though, yeah.


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Fanboyism.


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Yeah I agree Luke would get stomped

In fact he’d have a hard time beating Kylo...but that’s just a guess of mine

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Fanboyism.


You said it yourself Luke destroyed Vader.

Snoke and Kylo both blatantly admit Kylo is no match for Vader.

So even pretending Kylo has a shot against Luke, when you yourself admit Luke destroys Vader, continues to show what a blatant Troll you are.

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