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Mutants vs. Super Soldiers

Mutant team

Lady Deathstrike
Wolverine (Pre Logan)
Deadpool
Cable

versus

Super Soldiers

Captain America (Civil war)
Black Panther (Nanite Suit)
Winter Soldier (TWS/Civil war)
Erik Killmonger (Nanite Suit)

Round 1: Melee/H2H only
Round 2: Standard gear for Cable/Bucky


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Mutants shit stomp.


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Team 1 and I honestly don't think it's close. Wolverine, deadpool, and deathstrike are too hard to put down by fellow street levelers.


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Super soldiers are stronger and faster, but they really don't have a way to put down mutants.

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Team 2 shitstomp in round 1. Nothing the mutants have will go through the nanite suits of the panthers and all the Supersoldiers are stronger than the mutants.

Just to clarify, when you say h2h only, do the mutants and panthers get claws or is it pure barefists? Because if they do get claws does that mean Cap gets his sheild, DP gets his sword and Cable/WS gets knives?


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Mutants would take the h2h. They are simply too durable.

MCU team takes r2 however. Mutants aren't as faster, nor are they better fighters than MCU elites. Furthermore, there is no way they are penetrating Cap's shield or BP's suit.


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Mutants would take the h2h. They are simply too durable.

MCU team takes r2 however. Mutants aren't as faster, nor are they better fighters than MCU elites. Furthermore, there is no way they are penetrating Cap's shield or BP's suit.


How are they too durable if they can't harm the nanite suits? The h2h fights already have the nanite suits included.


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How are they too durable if they can't harm the nanite suits? The h2h fights already have the nanite suits included.


Do they have their suit in the h2h?? I think not.


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Re: Mutants vs. Super Soldiers

Seeing as the OP specifically included the suits.

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Captain America (Civil war)
Black Panther (Nanite Suit)
Winter Soldier (TWS/Civil war)
Erik Killmonger (Nanite Suit)


I'd say, yes.


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Do they have their suit in the h2h?? I think not.


The only people who get an upgrade in gear in round 2 is Bucky and Cable. Which means the nanite suits are already included in round 1 (so does Cap's shield) as indicated in OP.


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The 2 Panthers are going to be the pain in the ass to put down here. Yes, they can still be hurt to a degree inside their suits. But I don't know if any of the mutants have the damage output to do so to a notable degree. Maybe multiple shots from Cables Up-To-11 gun in the weapons round.

And now I shall wait for the classic "Adamantium claws will cut through the Vibranium suits", "Prove it!", "Adamantum is strongest!", "Vibranium is strongest" etc. argument.


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The only people who get an upgrade in gear in round 2 is Bucky and Cable. Which means the nanite suits are already included in round 1 (so does Cap's shield) as indicated in OP.


Then MCU team wipes.


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Super soldiers are stronger and faster, but they really don't have a way to put down mutants.
Deadpool is far faster than even the fastest Super Soldier here, seeing as he can perceive and chase bullets and can cut them in half. Given Cable's ability to stonewall and fight Deadpool hand to hand he'd scale to him. Wolverine was able to somewhat keep up with an amped Wade in X-Men: Origins as well, and given that Lady Deathstrike is faster than Wolverine neither should have trouble dealing with the MCU team's speed.

As far as round 1 goes, the difference is that while the MCU team has two people that no one person on team one can put down, not a single character in the Fox team is going down 1v1 to anyone in the MCU team. Bucky and Cap will be the first to die, and from there BP and KM won't be handling the four unkillable mutants. They'll be swarmed. If you interpret round 1 as allowing melee weapons, IMO it becomes even more of a stomp.


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Deadpool is far faster than even the fastest Super Soldier here, seeing as he can perceive and chase bullets...


This is one a lot of people forget about I think, focusing more on the bullet cut scene.

During the Vanessa-death scene, Wade was actually able to turn around and take a step or two in her direction in the time it took the bullet to cross the room IIRC. Now, he is obviously not Flash fast, but it does show an incredible amount of speed (both in perception/reaction and movement), considering a normal human would be hard pressed to simply turn their head in that same amount of time.


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Yeah, Deadpool is very fast as far as street level heroes like these go. And while not as strong as the Super Soldiers, he can still break a man's neck with little to no leverage, and was able to slightly hurt Angel Dust with a headbutt. Cable if anything looked to be a little physically stronger in their fight IMO.


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He was also able to twist a piece of metal rail around Cable's neck without too much apparent effort (after initially hitting Cable in his metal arm with it hard enough to start bending it already), during their prison fight, and shoulderslam a car hard enough to not only move it, but send the guy inside it tumbling out the other side.

So, yeah, not Super Soldier strong, but still pretty damn strong.


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Cable tore off that heavy metal door from the prison convoy with one arm too


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Deadpool is far faster than even the fastest Super Soldier here, seeing as he can perceive and chase bullets and can cut them in half. Given Cable's ability to stonewall and fight Deadpool hand to hand he'd scale to him. Wolverine was able to somewhat keep up with an amped Wade in X-Men: Origins as well, and given that Lady Deathstrike is faster than Wolverine neither should have trouble dealing with the MCU team's speed.

As far as round 1 goes, the difference is that while the MCU team has two people that no one person on team one can put down, not a single character in the Fox team is going down 1v1 to anyone in the MCU team. Bucky and Cap will be the first to die, and from there BP and KM won't be handling the four unkillable mutants. They'll be swarmed. If you interpret round 1 as allowing melee weapons, IMO it becomes even more of a stomp.


Sorry but no. First of all, the mutants are all susceptible to getting knocked out with enough blunt trauma. We've seen Wolverine lose consciousness before, and we've seen Deadpool and Cable on the verge of blacking out.
Besides, Deadpool can still get dismembered, and then he'll be completely helpless then.

As for his speed, remember that he only cut that one bullet in his movie and got shot by the rest. Ok, maybe he blocked a few, but still hot hit a lot. What that means is that although it's a good speed feat, he does NOT move as fast as bullets. Moving as fast as bullets means he can cut every single one. It means he's fast but also depends on luck and timing to make those cuts.

Anyway long story short, the mutants still don't have a way to get past the nanite suits or Cap's shield. The SS team is still stronger and the mutants are all susceptible to KO or dismemberment.


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Cable tore off that heavy metal door from the prison convoy with one arm too


Random question, but it actually might have an impact on the match. Does Deadpool get his self-awareness as a comic/movie character, as well as his industry knowledge?

Because we know he knows about Fox, the MCU, DCEU etc. and we know that, based on things like his Brown Panther and Thanos-related jokes from DP2, he is pretty up-to-date as well. Which means he will have unique knowledge available to him as someone with this extra awareness of the films, including potentially things like the necklace removal weakness of the BP nanite suits.


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Anyway long story short, the mutants still don't have a way to get past the nanite suits or Cap's shield.


Just because they might not be able to damage the shield itself, it does not mean they can't get past it to tag Steve. Cap's not untouchable, even with shield in hand.


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