Now that an explanation can actually be given for her inevitable growth in the next film(ie. studying ancient texts from which she can learn new truths and abilities about the force), I don't have an issue with it.
It's better than the alternative, which is no explanation at all.
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I'm on your side here, man. Honestly, what I'm getting is that there are tons of characters in Legends who are well known and even beloved by the fanbase who have just as little explanation for their growth as Rey currently does. At least Rey, you can kind of justify if you think about it a bit. But characters like Nomi Sunrider, who had absolutely no training? And then went, picked up a lightsaber, and was killing pirates and using freaking battle meditation immediately.
True, but technically Kanan wasn't a Jedi himself but he had a lot of training and experience during the Clone Wars.
Having those various Jedi holocrons around would certainly help with training. Heck if Yoda recorded sessions and Mace Windu recorded sessions a guy could pick up a lot without even training with a real Jedi.
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Eh she only killed 2 of the 3, the 3rd ran away and you could say they weren't really prepared seeing as they were mocking her about it and it was the only time before being trained in lightsaber combat. I wouldn't really say she was fighting a peer opponent as you suggested, the BM was only a rare occurrence(though I'll give you), it's not like she was able to do it at any given time.
Plus Nomi was trained by Thon, so she doesn't have little explanation as to how she grew.
Rey is fine now I guess, though the whole Matrix download thing with Kylo's mind was a little cheesy...don't see why she just couldn't have learned from Luke. I'm abit more annoyed with how staff training = sword training, when the two are very different....like really they should have had her just learn by Luke..or if they really wanted, have Rey have a staff lightsaber, that would have been easier to understand.
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Last edited by Zenwolf on Sep 25th, 2018 at 01:52 AM
The second time Nomi picked up a lightsaber, she killed far more than the initial two after her husband died. Sure, Thon had been trying to mentor her, but she explicitly hadn't been training with a lightsaber by that point in time. When pirates came to Ambria, and Thon surrendered himself to them, Nomi charged in to face at least a dozen pirates, breaking through their ranks to free Thon. We see her strike down at least 5 or 6 in the panels, with the description claiming she "cuts down adversary after adversary". While fighting against pirates isn't really the most impressive feat, we've seen far better trained Jedi fall to far fewer nameless opponents than what Nomi was able to fight off with absolutely no lightsaber training.
As for staff training translating to lightsaber training, I'm personally fine with it. Learning footwork, timing, and distance is pretty much 50% of most martial arts, and those translate from one fighting style to another rather universally. Sure, what you do with your hands changes depending on what you're holding, but as long as you can judge distance and maintain footwork and timing, you can at least somewhat handle a radically different weapon from what you've trained with. This is the same reason Finn holds his own against Kylo Ren as well as he did.
Besides that, Rey was getting stomped initially, so it's not like she was instantly a master duelist. It's only when Rey opens herself fully to the Force that she gains an upper hand, like we see countless times throughout Star Wars. And even then, Rey "gaining the upper hand" basically translates to her being way more aggressive and repeatedly throwing the same downward strike until Kylo Ren's stamina fails him and he leaves an opening.
I do agree that the knowledge download from Kylo Ren is a poor explanation for Rey, but at least it is an explanation. And I get why they didn't have Luke train Rey, because that pretty much ran counter to Luke's story in 8. I'm really hoping in 9 that Rey uses a saberstaff. It would just work way better for her character.
I don’t get this timeline at all, I recall Luke not even bothering to actually do anything with Rey, just talking and the rest of the time we never get any indication that he worked with her on anything.
The TLJ novelization expands on her time on the island a bit. In short, there was more to her training than what we saw in the film -- a few more 'lessons' from Luke.
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Doesn't that contradict the movie?(Then again, I guess it wouldn't be the first time they've done this) I only saw it once, so if I'm missing something then ok. But I recall only talking to her about The Force and what not, then moved onto the Jedi Order....then it just seemed like he wasn't around her and we see her by herself most of the time while Luke was just off doing his own thing.
Plus wasn't the Resistance running on like...what 6-12 hrs of time? How much time was expanded here?
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