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Philosophía
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Bump.

I will post Aquaman vs Wonder Woman later today, I hope.

I have to refresh my memory with common opponents besides White Martians, Shaggy Man, Green Lanterns and a few more.


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Batman too.
Goddammit, I was sure somebody would bring him up.


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Aquaman vs Wonder Woman comparison

I will split it into 'post Geoff Johns' [i.e. after Brightest Day] and 'pre-Geoff Johns' to make a distinction between portrayals.

One v One fights between Diana and Arthur

1). post Geoff Johns
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...nvsWW1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...nvsWW2.jpg.html


2).post Geoff Johns
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19...02-016.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19...02-017.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19...02-018.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19...02-019.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19...02-023.jpg.html


3).post Geoff Johns
https://postimg.cc/image/x7poyg42l/
https://postimg.cc/image/je1c9bbgd/
https://postimg.cc/image/f4wm78fxp/

4).post Geoff Johns
Flashpoint Aquaman vs Flashpoint Wonder Woman
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...6-fpaqua+06.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...7-fpaqua+07.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...0-fpaqua+08.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...8-fpaqua+09.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...-fpaqua+10a.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...5-fpaqua+11.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...0-fpaqua+14.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...3-fpaqua+15.jpg

Common opponents

Batman - Pre Geoff Johns

[young]Aquaman vs Batman [probably Arthur's lowest combat showing ever...only beat by him having trouble with the Joker earlier. This is probably non-canon, but it's the only fight they've had afaik, so...]
http://i.imgur.com/9UxZC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yzDiP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qyMtI.jpg



Wonder Woman:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qi...a1b2915b61.webp
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qi...c4a8ba24ae.webp
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qi...c233d2bf3c.webp

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http://i.imgur.com/jiHeF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9pG3o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7TDD2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/U6J47.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Cu0G6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ARgqg.jpg

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https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...w=620&h=962
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...w=620&h=956
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...w=620&h=942
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...w=620&h=965
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...w=620&h=695


Deathstroke

Aquaman - pre Geoff Johns
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...3/3649617-2.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...3/3649618-3.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...3/3649619-4.jpg

WW
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...troke1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...troke2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...troke3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...troke4.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...troke5.jpg.html

Despero

Aquaman - pre Geoff Johns, but written by Geoff Johns, lol
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...15011-marti.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...80307-marti.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...35201-marti.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...77915-marti.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...96020-marti.jpg

WW
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...jlajsavv_82.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload...jlajsavv_84.jpg

Mera

Aquaman - pre Geoff Johns
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraAq1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraAq2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraAq3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraAq4.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraAq5.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraAq6.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraAq7.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraAq8.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraAq9.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...raAq10.jpg.html

WW [Black Lantern]
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraWW1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraWW2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraWW3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraWW4.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraWW5.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraWW6.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...eraWW7.jpg.html

Shaggy Man

Aquaman - post Geoff Johns
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy4.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy5.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy6.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy7.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy8.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy9.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy10.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy11.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy12.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy13.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy14.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy15.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy16.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy17.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy18.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy19.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy20.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy21.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy22.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy23.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy24.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy25.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...aggy26.jpg.html

WW
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy2.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy3.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy4.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...haggy5.jpg.html

Superman

Aquaman - post Geoff Johns
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...n-rebirth-1.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...n-rebirth-2.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...n-rebirth-3.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...n-rebirth-4.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...n-rebirth-5.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...n-rebirth-6.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...n-rebirth-7.png
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...n-rebirth-8.png

Would waste too much space listing all of WW's.

White Martian

Aquaman - Pre Geoff Johns
https://imgur.com/a/bBKS7

WW
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...rtian1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38...rtian2.jpg.html

I will try to post some more when I get the time...


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I'm guessing this a "they're really not that far apart" thing?


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That's my opinion, yes. But I didn't comment on how they look in comparison and left it for others to decide for themselves.

Do you have other common opponents they fought alone in mind?


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I haven't read as much WW as some here, but this is the list I have of fights (Aquaman's) from the Respect Thread I was working on a while back:

https://imgur.com/wlcnIUp

Some are short, some are long, but I honestly dunno how many might cross over with Diana that you haven't posted already.


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I haven't read as much WW as some here, but this is the list I have of fights (Aquaman's) from the Respect Thread I was working on a while back:

https://imgur.com/wlcnIUp

Some are short, some are long, but I honestly dunno how many might cross over with Diana that you haven't posted already.
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I didn't want to include the Imperiex Probe, since Aquaman was fully geared and stuff.

He only had that one fight with Batman in Legends of DC, no? I know he grabbed him by the throat in Throne of Atlantis, but nothing happened.

I just remembered Hercules, but I'm not sure if that's even the same guy WW fought, if she ever even did in current continuity.


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I didn't want to include the Imperiex Probe, since Aquaman was fully geared and stuff.

He only had that one fight with Batman in Legends of DC, no? I know he grabbed him by the throat in Throne of Atlantis, but nothing happened.

I just remembered Hercules, but I'm not sure if that's even the same guy WW fought, if she ever even did in current continuity.


Yeah it was Legends of the DCU.

The New 52 Hercules fight? Or another one?


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Yeah it was Legends of the DCU.

The New 52 Hercules fight? Or another one?
Yes, the New 52 one. Not sure where that version stands given the continuity clusterf uck.


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Yes, the New 52 one. Not sure where that version stands given the continuity clusterf uck.


It's a ****ing mess, sadly. I need to read more of the Rebirth stuff, but nothing I've seen so far clarifies anything.


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I'm guessing this a "they're really not that far apart" thing?
I think it helps establish a more grounded or at least an average level in how these characters compare.

Certainly Aquaman won't be fighting the higher level of beings Diana has, but in terms of beings Aquaman can fight, he can do about as well as Diana. It puts them within the same league as opposed to just looking outside at highest feats only and just crossing your arms and going "nope". Maybe it doesn't mean much in a vs thread, but it's fun to see how they compare under random writers and establish some sort of baseline. At the very least, maybe she doesn't obliterate him in a fight?

At least that's how I see it anyway. A little something different.

When I get home I'll probably work on a true Colossus vs Thing comparison. That'll probably be a while though.


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Within the comic books, ever since Flashpoint, whenever they get into a 1v1 it's shown as rather competitive. And while she doesn't fight as she would on the forum (more speed, more weapons, more skill etc.), where she'd beat him handily based on feats, I figured it's worth showing the opinions writer have of him, both directly and indirectly. Mera has gone under the radar, but I think she's gotten the same type of push as Arthur. As you said, in terms of common opponents, they do comparatively well with some exceptions, while Diana's higher end fights (Zoom and the like) would be hard for him to match.

This is a really good idea for a thread, so I hope it will stay active. Fresh change from 'highest of highs/lowest of lows vs lowest of lows/highest of highs' discussions.


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I think it helps establish a more grounded or at least an average level in how these characters compare.

Certainly Aquaman won't be fighting the higher level of beings Diana has, but in terms of beings Aquaman can fight, he can do about as well as Diana. It puts them within the same league as opposed to just looking outside at highest feats only and just crossing your arms and going "nope". Maybe it doesn't mean much in a vs thread, but it's fun to see how they compare under random writers and establish some sort of baseline. At the very least, maybe she doesn't obliterate him in a fight?

At least that's how I see it anyway. A little something different.

When I get home I'll probably work on a true Colossus vs Thing comparison. That'll probably be a while though.


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Within the comic books, ever since Flashpoint, whenever they get into a 1v1 it's shown as rather competitive. And while she doesn't fight as she would on the forum (more speed, more weapons, more skill etc.), where she'd beat him handily based on feats, I figured it's worth showing the opinions writer have of him, both directly and indirectly. Mera has gone under the radar, but I think she's gotten the same type of push as Arthur. As you said, in terms of common opponents, they do comparatively well with some exceptions, while Diana's higher end fights (Zoom and the like) would be hard for him to match.

This is a really good idea for a thread, so I hope it will stay active. Fresh change from 'highest of highs/lowest of lows vs lowest of lows/highest of highs' discussions.


I started reading Aquaman comics in about... 2008-2009 I would say (it was before Blackest Night, but after IC), after spending many years thinking of him as "the fish guy". I started to build up an idea in my head of how powerful he was even back then while reading the old PAD stuff and everything else leading up to IC, and the opinion I formed in my head was this:

In pure strength and durability (and those alone), Aquaman was in the same tier as Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman. Obviously they have a wider array of powers than he does, but that pure, pound-for-pound "how hard can you punch" stat? I thought he was easily in their bracket, if not on their level in general.

He's not been written well since Johns left. Some comics have been passable, and while I don't like how he doesn't have his PAD-level telepathy where he can talk to anyone but sea-life does what he wants because it basically worships him, limiting him to just contacting sea-life SHOULD have been used more creatively. There are literal oceans of creatures out there, real and mythological, that can be used in fights, and Aquaman does tend to fight people near water.

Dude just gets left behind because Jonzz is a better telepath, Diana is a better "mystical warrior", and because he's not black enough to be a diversity hire.


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I'll probably post the Martian Manhunter fight they've had in #36 when I get home.

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