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Galan007
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All things considered, I'd say-
Teen Gohan(Cell Games) > Adult Gohan(Boo saga) >> Papa Gohan(RoF)

This also means Boo-era Goku would've been much more powerful than RoF Gohan overall... But even by the Boo/BoG arcs, Goku's base power was still WEAKER than Namek-era Freeza's. IOW, RoF Gohan shouldn't have even been close to Freeza-level at base... Let alone f*cking #17 level+, lol.

As mentioned, though: there was absolutely NO 'logic' involved with PLs here. I mean, even Tagoma's power(which was Mystic Gohan-level) was gauged against Zarbon and Dodoria, ffs.


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I mean, even Tagoma's power(which was Mystic Gohan-level) was gauged against Zarbon and Dodoria, ffs.


But that was before his training with Frieza, right?


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He lost to Krillin. Much as I'd like to believe humans can get SSJ2+ level, without anything from the manga or anime, we have to assume Gohan is just that bad.

I mean, Android 17 being that good is a big assumption, too, but at least an android starting out at SSJ+ and training is enough of an X factor to give him the benefit of the doubt.
He got tripped by Krillin, and a new form of solar flare. He wasn't hurt by Krillin.
Goku had just as much trouble against Krillin if not moreso, except Goku isn't retarded in battle like Gohan.

Krillin/Piccolo got one shotted by Ginyu. Gohan took quite a few attacks none the worse for wear. Which means he was more powerful than Piccolo. It's not a tough concept to get.

But Android 17 was that good in his first appearance. A 50 times amp on top of that level is way more than Cell can handle. Piccolo's power in caped form was more than likely above Frieza level. It should have been vastly above 17 level if we're being honest. How we feel about Goku/Gohan doesn't change that Piccolo didn't randomly get weaker.


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Yeah, it went down exactly as you say.

Only, there's also the fact Krillin could even keep up with them.

Unless speed has a hard cap to it, but that's not how power levels have worked in the past.. Generally, EVERYTHING goes up.


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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But that was before his training with Frieza, right?
Sorry, this is what I was thinking of:
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Same concept applies, though. Tagoma = Mystic Gohan-level, yet he was being gauged against a team where the strongest member's PL was 120,000. ffs.


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Sorry, this is what I was thinking of:
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Same concept applies, though. Tagoma = Mystic Gohan-level, yet he was being gauged against a team where the strongest member's PL was 120,000. ffs.
That's pretty fair though to ground it a little better. Just shows that the Frieza Empire never surpassed the old days. Ginyu was still a big deal.


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Sill a bit retarded given that Sorbet already knew about the SSJ transformation(s) at that point, and also knew about beings like Boo. He had also been monitoring earth for quite a while, and was also monitoring the Z Fighters while they fought Freeza's goons.

...Yet he still acted like Tagoma surpassing the Ginyu Force was some kind of big deal. Meh.


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Originally posted by Galan007
Sorry, this is what I was thinking of:
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Same concept applies, though. Tagoma = Mystic Gohan-level, yet he was being gauged against a team where the strongest member's PL was 120,000. ffs.


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Yeah, that was retarded.

Funny how little training Gohan needed to fight Goku, btw laughing out loud


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The fact that Gohan isn't even sure at first whether or not he can still go SSJ1 is telling. As for Piccolo, he's just sucked ever since the Cell saga, for some reason. Even base Vegeta seemed confident he could take him during the Buu saga, although I can't remember if that was debunked or not.


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As for Piccolo, he's just sucked ever since the Cell saga, for some reason. Even base Vegeta seemed confident he could take him during the Buu saga, although I can't remember if that was debunked or not.
Makes sense. After all, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Kaioshin, and Kibito all followed Yamu and Spopovich to Babidi's ship. While they were hiding, Dabra and Babidi noted that THREE of them(not counting Kaioshin, because they couldn't use his energy) had great power. They needed that power to resurrect Boo, therefore they needed those THREE to follow them into the ship.

Dabra then proceeded to immediately kill Kibito, and then specifically incapacitated Piccolo and Krillin with his stone-spit... Leaving only Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan as potential energy sources. This heavily implies that ALL of the Saiyans...even at base...were considered more powerful than Piccolo back then. I mean, if Piccolo would have been one of the aforementioned three, Dabra certainly wouldn't have removed him from play.

Additionally, we know Dabra and Babidi weren't somehow sensing the Saiyans' inner SSJ ki or w/e, because they were both awestruck by the power Goku and Gohan could generate when they actually went SSJ.


Of course, the events of BoG render the above moot, given Beerus' assessment that base Goku < Freeza... But again, I think Toriyama certainly had a different opinion of the Saiyans' overall powers back then. /shrug


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Also, it was established that Supreme Kai >>> Piccolo pretty early on in the arc, and he felt seriously threatened by fighters like Pui Pui and Yakon, whom shouldn't have been stronger than Frieza. Then again, the Supreme Kai claimed that he could one-shot Frieza, too...


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Piccolo had an uber regen feat in the Buu Saga...


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Then again, the Supreme Kai claimed that he could one-shot Frieza, too...
Not that I'm disagreeing with Kaoshin's claim that he could one-shot Freeza, but it's really hard to believe a guy THAT powerful would be so utterly awestruck by base Vegeta's power when he destroyed PuiPui. /shrug


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