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Tzeentch
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Because when you make an assertion it's standard procedure to back it up?

Your claim is that democrats no longer support the lower class. What policies have they pushed that substantiates that claim?
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The Great Society Act devastated the black communities. Do you guys still care about blacks or have you officially moved on to illegals?
If 1964 was the last time democrats signed into existence a law that hurt the poor, that's a pretty amazing track record.


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Because when you make an assertion it's standard procedure to back it up?

Your claim is that democrats no longer support the lower class. What policies have they pushed that substantiates that claim?


That isn't what I said, though..


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List policies pushed for by liberals on a federal level that hurt the poor.


Unless you're going to claim that the government is only run by Republicans, you really do need to explain this graph:

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Let's not pretend that our liberal representatives (mostly Democrats) actually represent most of us.


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Originally posted by Tzeentch
Because when you make an assertion it's standard procedure to back it up?

Your claim is that democrats no longer support the lower class. What policies have they pushed that substantiates that claim?
If 1964 was the last time democrats signed into existence a law that hurt the poor, that's a pretty amazing track record.



That's easy. Literally any laws that liberals favored and got passed that caused basic necessities to increase in cost. Usually regulations.


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Relationship between regulation and poverty. The authors were careful to control for the other factors known to influence poverty rates. Having done this, they find a robust, positive, and statistically significant relationship between the FRASE index and poverty rates across states. A 10 percent increase in the effective federal regulatory burden upon a state is associated with about a 2.5 percent increase in the poverty rate.


https://www.mercatus.org/publicatio...ion-and-poverty


This is why you see some people, who are advocates for consumer goods and poor, talking about no-nonsense regulations. "No asbestos in homes but don't require 10 year assessments for pharmaceuticals."


I'll post more later. Have to go to a dinner party and pretend to like strangers.


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The Great Society Act devastated the black communities. Do you guys still care about blacks or have you officially moved on to illegals?

That one is hotly debated though, since it did a lot of good.

I think a more clear cut example would be better.

On a side note, " black" and "poor" are not the same thing.


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Because when you make an assertion it's standard procedure to back it up?

Your claim is that democrats no longer support the lower class. What policies have they pushed that substantiates that claim?
If 1964 was the last time democrats signed into existence a law that hurt the poor, that's a pretty amazing track record.


Hey, it is pretty amazing how that one act caused issues for DECADES that continue to reverberate today yeah. Damn amazing. I agree with you, it's one colossal f*ck up we're still paying for.


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That one is hotly debated though, since it did a lot of good.

I think a more clear cut example would be better.

On a side note, " black" and "poor" are not the same thing.


Doing a lot of good doesn't negate how it devastated the black communities. And no black is not the same as poor, but they were hit harder than anyone else. And the leftists claim they love the minorities.

I guess the type of minority changes. They seem to prioritize illegals now over blacks. See them whining about the census citizenship question like babies:

A census that counts citizens will help African Americans


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The Cult of Trump be like:

-Hates elitism
-Voted for and supports an elitist billionaire


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The Cult of Trump be like:

-Hates elitism
-Voted for and supports an elitist billionaire


Leftist cultists be like:

-other people are the cultists
-behave like cultists


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The Cult of Trump be like:

-Hates elitism
-Voted for and supports an elitist billionaire


We certainly drained the swamp by putting in top .01% non-swampers in cabinet positions.


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Doing a lot of good doesn't negate how it devastated the black communities. And no black is not the same as poor, but they were hit harder than anyone else. And the leftists claim they love the minorities.

I guess the type of minority changes. They seem to prioritize illegals now over blacks. See them whining about the census citizenship question like babies:

A census that counts citizens will help African Americans

Like I said though, debatable. The "devastated black communities" idea came from the family values conservatives type(not all conservatives) and they failed to prove any substantial link from what I've seen. They cite stastistics, often incorrect or misrepresented, from a 40-50 year gap specifically to help their brand of identity politics.

Dadudemon, even though he was referencing something else, actually addressed part of the problem with this in his post. We'd have to pretend that Democrats and the Great Society were basically the only social/political things to happen in the country for the past 40-50 years to really support this claim. Barring some direct link, which again, I haven't seen.


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Doing a lot of good doesn't negate how it devastated the black communities. And no black is not the same as poor, but they were hit harder than anyone else. And the leftists claim they love the minorities.

I guess the type of minority changes. They seem to prioritize illegals now over blacks. See them whining about the census citizenship question like babies:

A census that counts citizens will help African Americans

Couldn't edit this in in time, and forgot to respond to the census thing.

Mostly during LBJ's time and his Great Society stuff, median black family income rose 53%, and the poverty rate for blacks dropped from 55% to 27%. Cutting the black poverty rate in half just seems like such a major good, that saying "devastating black communites" seems like a stretch, even if you think it had harmful elements elsewhere. If you want to argue it's complex, then cool.

https://web.archive.org/web/2009011...ay.cfm?HHID=372

The census thing is interesting, but still a long discussion. Historically black focused social groups are opposed to it as well, like the Black Alliance for Just Immigration and NAACP. This isn't one minority group vs other minority groups.


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Liberalism and conservatism are two sides of the same coin and have become equally as “elitist”, however where it was once considered to be status quo to be of a conservative mindset, the pendulum has swung in the other direction. Now liberalism has gained a hive-like mentality that has effectively become exactly what it sought to destroy in earlier years. These forms of politics have become commonplace in the states. It’s a vicious cycle.

At the edge of that coin is where you will find me, neither liberal nor conservative, though I have tendencies from both political factions.


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Dadudemon, even though he was referencing something else, actually addressed part of the problem with this in his post. We'd have to pretend that Democrats and the Great Society were basically the only social/political things to happen in the country for the past 40-50 years to really support this claim. Barring some direct link, which again, I haven't seen.


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And creating multi-generational wealth in the black community is DEFINITELY a win. But I am not too sure you can legislate wealth very effectively.

Where poor people are always hit the most is on basic living necessitates: staple foods, housing, insurance, and healthcare.

Where to live, what to in where you live, and live healthy. If anything the government does makes any of that more expensive, that is a negative impact on the poor.

Democrats didn't do it all. Republican didn't do it all. However, I would bet that in the last 20 year, the GOP is more responsible for increasing the costs of those basic necessities I mentioned. Surely a conservative think-tank has thought something like this through and has a rebuttal. I'd be happy to be wrong.


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Liberalism and conservatism are two sides of the same coin and have become equally as “elitist”, however where it was once considered to be status quo to be of a conservative mindset, the pendulum has swung in the other direction. Now liberalism has gained a hive-like mentality that has effectively become exactly what it sought to destroy in earlier years. These forms of politics have become commonplace in the states. It’s a vicious cycle.

At the edge of that coin is where you will find me, neither liberal nor conservative, though I have tendencies from both political factions.


This is largely my perspective, as well. Same with Robtard. Centrists get shit on by both sides and it is not quite fair.


Also, I got accused for getting Trump elected by a Democrat because I didn't vote for Hillary. Sorry, didn't want either in office. no expression


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This is largely my perspective, as well. Same with Robtard. Centrists get shit on by both sides and it is not quite fair.


Also, I got accused for getting Trump elected by a Democrat because I didn't vote for Hillary. Sorry, didn't want either in office. no expression


You did good, Hillary needed to be kept out.

Guarantee you Hillary wouldn't have tossed Angela Merkel some starbursts and then said "don't say I never gave you anything". Guarantee.

Think about living a world where that didn't happen. That sounds like a horrible place.


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Ben pretty much lays it out.


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All I will say on this is Liberals, Progressives etc. Don't believe blowhards on youtube have all the answers... Fortunately they retain that level of dignity!


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All I will say on this is Liberals, Progressives etc. Don't believe blowhards on youtube have all the answers... Fortunately they retain that level of dignity!


So you admit to being both a racist and an anti-Semite?


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All I will say on this is Liberals, Progressives etc. Don't believe blowhards on youtube have all the answers... Fortunately they retain that level of dignity!


There is no real dignity among those who believe the US is a rape culture, there is a gender wage gap, a man can be a woman cuz fee fee's, there are a billion different genders, black people can't be racist, it's racist to clean up poop with a hose, it's racist to put "It's okay to be white" posters up, Trump is Hitler, etc.

The fact that such bullshit is peddled to the left by those meant to educate and prepare them for the world is actually worse than them picking up that bullshit on youtube.


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