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Robtard
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Thank You, Koch Brothers! (Health Reform)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyC4grL-Uag

Let me thank the Koch brothers for sponsoring a study that shows that Medicare for all would save the American people $2 trillion dollars over a ten year period. I suspect that that is not what you intended to do, but that is what is in the study of the Mercatus Center - an organization that you significantly fund. -snip


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Eh, this contradicts a more reputable study conducted by the Urban Institute which anticipates massive costs that would require massive increases in taxes. Nice job providing context Rob.


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Three things:

1) I posted the link as is for the viewer to decide for themselves

2) You whine and then fail to source your claim

3) Cry more now, kid


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Thank you, Bernie “bread lines are a good thing” Sanders!


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Alot of hot air in that video (typical of both sides when it comes to health insurance.)

So when Bernie says there are savings its coming from the total national health expense, not the federal govt specifically.

What's not so sexy and not being disclosed is the decline in pay for people providing services and healthcare.

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Alot of hot air in that video (typical of both sides when it comes to health insurance.)

So when Bernie says there are savings its coming from the total national health expense, not the federal govt specifically.

What's not so sexy and not being disclosed is the decline in pay for people providing services and healthcare.


Bingo.


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"There's only one problem: Nobody asked that first question. This week, Charles Blahous of the Mercatus Center at George Mason University released a study taking a look at the cost of Sanders' preferred program. The total: $32.6 trillion over 10 years. Over that same period, our total federal spending is projected at $56 trillion -- and we're already racking up debt like there's no tomorrow on that budget. That means that we could double our taxes at every level and still not come close to covering Sanders' program.

Sanders responded to this unfortunate news by attacking the study, blaming the nefarious Koch brothers for sponsoring Blahous' basic math. There's only one problem: The Urban Institute, a left-leaning outlet, estimated the cost at $32 trillion. So this isn't a right-left problem. It's a basic math problem. Sanders doesn't understand basic math."


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Jesus didn't have a bread line He had a crowd of 4000 people and another one of 5000.
See the continuum now.


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Jesus didn't have a bread line He had a crowd of 4000 people and another one of 5000.
See the continuum now.


Speaking of Jesus...I just saw a video from Ben Shapiro titled "Jesus is not a socialist".

The only reason he'd make such a video is if imbeciles were trying to say Jesus was a socialist. Lol...makes me laugh.


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I tend to notice people on the left using the Bible to guilt-trip people into voting for left-wing economic and immigration policies.

What strikes me as an important distinction is that Christianity emphasizes self-sacrifice for those in need. The reason why I don't find this an infallible endorsement of left-wing economic and border policy is because it's self-sacrifice that's being called for, not you making the decision to sacrifice what belongs to someone else.


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Jesus was a totally a socialist and a communist. Get real.


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I tend to notice people on the left using the Bible to guilt-trip people into voting for left-wing economic and immigration policies.

What strikes me as an important distinction is that Christianity emphasizes self-sacrifice for those in need. The reason why I don't find this an infallible endorsement of left-wing economic and border policy is because it's self-sacrifice that's being called for, not you making the decision to sacrifice what belongs to someone else.


Indeed. And they need to stop claiming they are educated if they are gonna claim Jesus was a socialist.


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I would be willing to pay higher taxes to ensure healthcare would be guaranteed to all. It's more accessible, affordable, and cost-effective than our current system, which would improve our citizens' overall health and wealth.

It also seems to pass the test as the moral thing to do by most normative and descriptive theories of ethics I can remember.

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Alot of hot air in that video (typical of both sides when it comes to health insurance.)

So when Bernie says there are savings its coming from the total national health expense, not the federal govt specifically.

What's not so sexy and not being disclosed is the decline in pay for people providing services and healthcare.


This article is about two years old, but doctors in Canada seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. There was even an increase in doctors around the same time, so their healthcare system doesn't seem to be driving them away from their practice at home.

Average salaries for physicians in Canada

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Overall, total payments to doctors increased by four per cent to reach $25 billion in 2014-15. The average gross pay for a doctor sits at $339,000. Keep in mind, the amount varies based on doctors’ specialties though: family physicians make about $271,000 while medical specialists make about $338,000 and surgical specialists earn $446,000.


Doctor's fees across Canada

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$54 – the average bill for a visit to the doctor for a variety of services, from checkups to surgical procedures. It’s 5.3 per cent more expensive than the year before.

$40 – that’s the average family physician’s bill for a visit.

$74 – how much a specialist charges on average. There was a 6.8 per cent increase compared to the year before.

$20 billion – the bill the country racked up from a year’s worth of doctors’ services.

$307,000 – how much, on average, a doctor receives in payments for his services, his salary, every day tasks and his client list. This increased by 3.1 per cent compared to last year, but it’s the smallest increase in five years. This is the average gross income and not necessarily the take-home pay.

245.3 million – that’s how many medical services we bought with the $20 billion price tag. It excludes anesthesia, x-rays and any other imaging and laboratory services.

The average bill doctors charged their provinces varies:

$236,000 – on the lower end of the scale, doctors in PEI charged this much

$250,000 – this is how much doctors charged in Nova Scotia

$340,000 – this is how much doctors charged in Ontario

$350,000 – this is the average amount doctors in Alberta charged for their services 27.4 per cent – all income, on average across provinces, claimed towards salary, client lists, and maintaining their business

10.6 per cent – the percentage in 1999-2000, which shows that either client lists have grown due to multiplying population or business expenses and salaries have increased.


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Jesus didn't have a bread line He had a crowd of 4000 people and another one of 5000.
See the continuum now.


Jesus also handed out Fish.

Thanks Jesus!

Jesus< Bernie.



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Jesus also handed out Fish.

Thanks Jesus!

Jesus< Bernie.



eek!


Agreed. Jesus is a hype job.


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Yeah, but at least he didn't have a child bride.


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Yeah, but at least he didn't have a child bride.

Yep, he hung out with adult prostitutes like a normal man.


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I tend to notice people on the left using the Bible to guilt-trip people into voting for left-wing economic and immigration policies.

Yeah, they should learn from the Right instead, and use the Bible as a means to threaten homosexuals, pregnant women, rape victims, scientists/evolutionists, atheists and other religions with total damnation.


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Yep, he hung out with adult prostitutes like a normal man.


Bingo. And all those hookers had hearts of gold. Also a variety of STD's, but hearts of gold too.


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Yeah, they should learn from the Right instead, and use the Bible as a means to threaten homosexuals, pregnant women, rape victims, scientists/evolutionists, atheists and other religions with total damnation.

Oh yeah obviously the religious right's not perfect, and you and I have had many discussions on this and you know I believe in universal reconciliation. I mentioned the left specifically because we were discussing economic policy in this thread, and because somebody else brought up the relation between Christianity and economics in this thread.


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