if we compare feats, they are on the same level, with surfer has couple outliers higher, and the advantages of having more high end feats by simply having more feats in general. the only reason is because dc reboot and create different version of same character. surfer just has more appearances than each version of MM
if you group all of MM feats together since pre crisis, no way does surfer look more impressive. but that's not the rule so it's neither here or there
also dunno why people bring up SS creating blackhole, that was brought by energy discharge and even if he does use it in battle, jonn survived the pull of black hole before
still, SS 7/10 here
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I'm waiting on a super power that MM has that Surfer doesn't. And all Surfer need is to create a match. lol And Phil can have all the fun he can handle creating fictional goal posts and straw man arguments. All that is something that I'm neither emotional about nor interested in. Surfer does have feats, both of these characters are jobbers, and I've spent way more time in this thread than I thought I would.
The limits of Surfer's versatility are another manifestation of comic conventions, and can't really be delineated using 'in comics' explanations.
In theory, there is virtually no limit to the KINDS of things Surfer can do: his limits are quantitative, not qualitative. In practice, however, there are many things Surfer cannot do.
As to the quantitative limits, Surfer on the whole seems to have a level of raw power roughly equivalent to elite top tiers like Gladiator, Thor, and Blue Marvel. In theory, any manifestation of his powers would be roughly at that level, though a lack of skill or experience at some power manifestations such as TP or shape-shifting might still limit him.
MM also seems to be at that level of elite top tiers, by and large, when it comes to raw power. So I'd say that Surfer probably has, again in theory, about the same TP or shapeshifting or phasing capacities as MM, though again, skill would be an issue. But this is, IMO, moot, as Surfer almost certainly isn't going to be using MM's full bag of tricks in any fight.