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Is gender a social construct?
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Surtur
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Gender: Male
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Yours are. You know I am right too.


Nah.


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quanchi112
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Originally posted by Surtur
Nah.
Yeah, but rage more about dems and kneeling at an nfl game.


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StyleTime
Thinking About You

Gender: Male
Location: In your head.

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Originally posted by cdtm
Of COURSE they want to offend. Or they wouldn't do it in front of the flag at all. Flag protests, in all cases, are INTENDED to provoke a reaction from others.

They want to get eyes on their cause. The alternative is be ignored...
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Originally posted by cdtm
Accept abortion is wrong.

Accept marriage is between men and women.

Accept kneeling in front of the flag, isn't disrespecting the flag.

That's how they're similar. The people feel how they feel, and are being asked to feel differently.

Of course, it's equally valid to say:

Accept I don't accept you're a woman.

Not sure these follow. Again, no one is making you "disrespect" the flag yourself. They're saying you can't stop them from doing it. You can feel it's wrong all you want though.

Legal gay marriage doesn't mean you have to enter a homosexual marriage yourself. Your feelings are your own, but you don't get to ban it for others.

Marriage should go die in a fire though, at least the industry around it.


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Emperordmb
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Right but instead of just identifying as a certain gender demanding that other people identify you that way as well is a bit different from "you can do whatever you want and I can do whatever I want"


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Tzeentch
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Is it? If your name is Michael you have a right to be identified as Michael and not Zack within every legal context. So if you can legally change your name and expect that to be legally acknowledged why exactly is it wrong to identify as a toaster and expect that to be legally acknowledged?


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Silent Master
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If your name is Michael and random people on the street call you Zack, what law are they breaking?


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Tzeentch
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No one is advocating that you should go to jail for calling a man a woman or vice versa, so what does that have to do with my post.


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Silent Master
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Maybe not on this forum, but I've heard people say that calling someone the wrong pronoun was a violent act.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Tzeentch
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And?


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StyleTime
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Originally posted by Emperordmb
Right but instead of just identifying as a certain gender demanding that other people identify you that way as well is a bit different from "you can do whatever you want and I can do whatever I want"

On the surface, I can maybe see it. If we dig deeper, there's definitely nuance to this though.

They technically are just identifying as certain gender and informing you of their preferred pronoun. What you do afterwards is your call.

A problem with the "don't insult the flag" stance, especially in the form discussed here, is that it ignores the opposition's argument and raises some separate issue as if it's a counterpoint. Essentially, group A says "Hey, I need to say something. None of you were listening before so I figured I could get your attention by standing in front of this thing you always stare at(the flag)."

Instead of going, "Okay. We hear ya. What's wrong?" Group B says, "Don't make this about the flag." The discussion then morphs into this third issue about patriotism. In reality, listening to what they're saying and helping them out if necessary would end the flag protesting.

Additonally, equating these two issues ignores levels of severity quite frankly. At the end of the day, protesting the flag does **** all harm to anyone. While disregarding the socially constructed aspects of gender exists on a continuum of violence and marginalization against a group of humans.

I just don't think these are the same things, except in the broadest of ways.


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Silent Master
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Originally posted by Tzeentch
And?



Look at the post above mine.


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posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Emperordmb
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Originally posted by StyleTime
On the surface, I can maybe see it. If we dig deeper, there's definitely nuance to this though.

They technically are just identifying as certain gender and informing you of their preferred pronoun. What you do afterwards is your call.

A problem with the "don't insult the flag" stance, especially in the form discussed here, is that it ignores the opposition's argument and raises some separate issue as if it's a counterpoint. Essentially, group A says "Hey, I need to say something. None of you were listening before so I figured I could get your attention by standing in front of this thing you always stare at(the flag)."

Instead of going, "Okay. We hear ya. What's wrong?" Group B says, "Don't make this about the flag." The discussion then morphs into this third issue about patriotism. In reality, listening to what they're saying and helping them out if necessary would end the flag protesting.

Additonally, equating these two issues ignores levels of severity quite frankly. At the end of the day, protesting the flag does **** all harm to anyone. While disregarding the socially constructed aspects of gender exists on a continuum of violence and marginalization against a group of humans.

I just don't think these are the same things, except in the broadest of ways.

Oh I wasn't comparing the two things. Nothing I said there was meant to be related to the anthem kneeling shit. I was kinda drunk when I made that post.


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StyleTime
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Gender: Male
Location: In your head.

Oh, my fault. thumb up


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Surtur
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Gender: Male
Location: Chicago

Followup: Is gender a Green Lantern construct?


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What if SOCIETY is a Construct of Gender?


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