I would never stand behind anything I know is wrong. If I’m wrong then it’s sheer ignorance of why. I admit looking back at a few arguments I had in the comic vs forums I was wrong. Quan on the other hand would debate on stuff he knows is wrong.
Your entire argument is that a sun beam with known force and pressure is weaker than a bullet. And a city destroying attack is weaker than one 20mm round in pressure.
And PSI measurements should be used in place of the actual way we measure bullets in kinetic energy.
No actual proof of any of this mind you, and that's without getting into the specifics of the debate.
Quan would actually use something from the comics or movies that he would highball and lowball. He would actually have some sort of basis. You do not. You make up fake math and think everyone should follow it and never actually use any sources that even remotely come close to your fake math, or in many cases use something that something has never even been measured in.
So the formula for force and pressure are fake? Fake math? I was transparent from the beginning. I told everyone to check my work and my concepts, as I could be wrong. But people ignore that I said that when I first posted the calculations. The trolls are saying I was defending the initial calculations. But no one actually checked the math or the concepts and challenged me. You were the first to do so as to why I respect you to a degree. In my eyes, everyone else is a troll (especially Silent).
Bottom line: How do we know if a feat proves that a character has a certain capability without using any science? People just claim Thor is resistant to aircraft bullets without using any form of science to prove it. They are just guessing. At least I try to find the truth. That's more than what most people are doing here.
You have to be reasonable. You told me that I was wrong and the scaling of the scene wasn't off (and I was). But this simple isn't true if the star is 20km in diameter. I posted pictures proving it.
The difference between H1 and Quan is that Quan has actually admitted to being a troll
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
I posted a video of it, Thor was 100 percent hit by that attack. Considering he was the cause and at ground zero, and that he also fell into the ocean afterwards.
Sun matter moving at faster than bullets speeds that can propell a 300 pound man faster than bullet speeds have a lot more pressure than a bullet. Thor resisted however many billions or trillions of tons being blasted into his back at high speeds.
The mechanism btw fired the matter with enough force to escape the gravity of a neutron star.
Also, full force of a star > full force of a bullet
Your concepts don't align with anything anywhere. You're choosing the best way you can get high numbers without actually understanding the concepts.
If I actually cared, I'd go through the exact nature of it. The fact that you literally put your force into an actual PSI converter and come out to a number that aligns with the PSI of the metal is very questionable as well.
Or the fact that you sat there and defended 313 million tons from a ****ing bullet and are still defended why you used that even after coming up with a different number. You bragged about not knowing that Thor was right beside the star as well and apparently argued that until I showed you.
You're not even using common sense or applying the science right though.
You have to be reasonable. How would anything that comes from a star be less than a bullet? How did we ignore the mass of star matter? The speed of the beam? Thor being flung at high speeds?
You keep moving the goalposts while completely ignoring what actually happened.
I'm getting sucked into his shit again while he still proclaims himself correct...
Like I said as well, Quan actually has a basis, no matter how skewed it is. He bases it on the actual characters.
What is the basis for a city destroying attack being less dangerous than a bullet? A sun being less than a bullet?
It's pretty much "I don't like it" at this point.
H1 is much worse than Quan. At least you know Quan is screwing around. No one knows with h1. You assume he's trolling but he's been doing it for over a decade... how much fun is that?
Well, I know with h1. Something I've learned is that you can tell a person's intentions from his actions. How he replies and what direction he takes his arguments and how he words his statements.
h1 doesn't know that in our debates in the past, I've tested his intentions multiple times (by leading him in a lot of our debates). He's a troll, plain and simple. As soon as I got my answer (that he is trolling), I decided that he wasn't worth my time to reply to.
I have also suspected that either his alter ego is either a mod or at least knows the mods. Though with that I'm not as certain.
Last edited by Nibedicus on Sep 17th, 2018 at 04:24 AM
Was expecting a quick ruling by Imp regarding writers intentions. Given Im sure in the past regarding Revenge of the Sith even Director commentary wasnt allowed to be used as fact. And that was a franchise with only the one writer/Director coming straight from his mouth.
So of course what WE THINK writers intentions are in a franchise with multiple different writers should be clear cut dismissed as nothing more than speculation.
Edit - might not have been directors commentary but statements Lucas made elsewhere. So im sure directors commentary can be used for further explanations like the size of Surtur e.t.c. However the ruling was clear cut ON SCREEN FEATS trump any random comments from directors/writers.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Sep 17th, 2018 at 07:09 AM
Post the video again or give the page number in which you posted it.
I posted pictures of the scene. Either the rings are under 2km in radius or the scaling is wrong.
If the scaling is wrong then you can’t make ANY calculations on speed, distance, and time. Especially when we see Thor's velocity is far below bullet speeds when he enters the tunnel of the forge and also right before his head strikes the beam inside the forge.
Also did you know that from rest
1) final velocity = average acceleration x time
2) distance = velocity x time
3) distance = 1/2 x acceleration x time^2
The beam acted on Thor for 4 seconds but Thor traveled for 10 seconds total.
Let’s assume that he traveled 80km in this 10 seconds. The average acceleration of Thor while he was pushed is 2.5km/s^2.
Thor is about 110kg in mass
Therefore Force on Thor = mass x acceleration = 110x2500 =275,000N Or
Less than 31 tons of force.
This force was applied on the majority of Thor's body. Let's say 144 square inches (closer to 300 square inches). The pressure is 31 tons / 144 in^2 = 0.21 tons per square inch.
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