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Aaahhhh, gotcha. Didnt he show up in a Old Man Logan comic as well (or was that a Cho story)?


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Not showings. Storylines.

But if is IS 6, what are they (I only know one, so am willing to check them out).


He's been in two iirc


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The other showings are more than enough to show us that CS still has top-tier strength/durability, even with his suit on.

Downing Gog with 2 strikes shows us what he can do at full strength... And it is so far beyond anything Weapon H has done that it's ridiculous.

He is def class 100. To me not on the Superman, Orion, Shazam, etc., tier. I have him somewhere below Wondy and PG strengthwise.. His durability is up there. Part of his seemingly amazing durability comes from the fact that he doesn't feel pain. That could also be a detriment.

Downing gog is up there and is beyond what weap H has done, but i think it's the outlier of his showings. Still his feat nonetheless.

Regards to the suit, he's not likely to take it off in a fight. It's more than likely to be removed by Weapon H's claws if anything.

He's also depicted as slow and plodding at times due to his suit. He's like a walking paperweight with some juggy like qualities.


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Think Weapon H have some of Wolverine qualities when it comes to speed. Speed blitzing, slapping bullets out of the air, etc...

Has anyone posted proof showing CS can survive Adamatium claws swung by elite strength?


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Think Weapon H have some of Wolverine qualities when it comes to speed. Speed blitzing, slapping bullets out of the air, etc...
Actually shown?


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He is def class 100. To me not on the Superman, Orion, Shazam, etc., tier. I have him somewhere below Wondy and PG strengthwise.. His durability is up there. Part of his seemingly amazing durability comes from the fact that he doesn't feel pain. That could also be a detriment.
With the suit on, his brute strength is in the same ballpark as Superman(albeit slightly weaker.) With the suit off, he's well above that. Imo.

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Downing gog is up there and is beyond what weap H has done, but i think it's the outlier of his showings. Still his feat nonetheless.
It's not an outlier. It's actually his only all-out/non-suited showing... It is literally *all* we have to go by. /shrug

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Regards to the suit, he's not likely to take it off in a fight. It's more than likely to be removed by Weapon H's claws if anything.
Wholly dependent on the threat. If CS deems the threat strong enough, he will doff the suit(like he did against Gog after the JSA's best efforts had failed to drop him.) Regardless, if WH removes it for him, we'd get the same result either way.

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He's also depicted as slow and plodding at times due to his suit. He's like a walking paperweight with some juggy like qualities.
Indeed. CS definitely isn't a speedster.

That said, I've seen nothing from WH that makes me believe that he could harm CS at all(I'm not of the opinion that his claws can override CS's durability, which is one of the best in DC.) Like most brick fights, this would likely turn into a slugfest anyway(see WH's fights with Wendingo and Man-Thing.) /shrug


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Think Weapon H have some of Wolverine qualities when it comes to speed. Speed blitzing, slapping bullets out of the air, etc...

Has anyone posted proof showing CS can survive Adamatium claws swung by elite strength?

That would be the deciding factor to me. CS and Weapon Hulk or any other Class 100 hero should be roughly equals in strength. The invulnerability, durability should be the deciding factor. CS can hurt Weapon H most likely, but could he dish out enough damage to counter his HF? I somehow doubt it. On the other hand, could Weapon H even hurt CS? Adamantium claws paired with Hulks strength should be able to overcome CS invulnerability, me thinks. Which means Weapon H has a better chance to win.


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That would be the deciding factor to me. CS and Weapon Hulk or any other Class 100 hero should be roughly equals in strength. The invulnerability, durability should be the deciding factor. CS can hurt Weapon H most likely, but could he dish out enough damage to counter his HF? I somehow doubt it. On the other hand, could Weapon H even hurt CS? Adamantium claws paired with Hulks strength should be able to overcome CS invulnerability, me thinks. Which means Weapon H has a better chance to win.
I'm of the same thought process.

It SHOULD be an autowin with Hulk strength adamantium. We've all seen what Carv Howlett has carved up. Should... lots of shoulds with this character.

I'm waiting until he gets fleshed out more and yes, shows more limitations before I say anything really carv and dry about him. Right now he has huge potential to murder so many characters.


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Agreed.

Right now some people are wanking WH like LOM wanked Onslaught: "Z0MG!!! Hez gawt duh full powa of Juggernaut+Franklin+Xavier+Magz. Hims am univerzal!!!"

If WH ends up racking up some uber feats, my opinion here may change. As of now, however, I do not at all see how he can beat CS.


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If that happened, he suspected, the Empire would stand forever."

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Weapon X 6-11 & 18, TA Hulk 21-22

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He was featured in Weapon X for a little bit, ending with him trashing their lineup.

The fight basically depends on how much credit you give Weapon H's on paper stats. He's got adamantium claws, a good healing factor, and Hulk-like super strength. Considering the showings from vastly weaker characters with adamantium weapons, it's totally possible he'd pierce even Citizen Steel's durability.

But, again, that's on paper.


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Right now some people are wanking WH like LOM wanked Onslaught: "Z0MG!!! Hez gawt duh full powa of Juggernaut+Franklin+Xavier+Magz. Hims am univerzal!!!"


When has that way of typing ever been funny ?

From a grown man, no less. Lol.


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He was featured in Weapon X for a little bit, ending with him trashing their lineup.

The fight basically depends on how much credit you give Weapon H's on paper stats. He's got adamantium claws, a good healing factor, and Hulk-like super strength. Considering the showings from vastly weaker characters with adamantium weapons, it's totally possible he'd pierce even Citizen Steel's durability.

But, again, that's on paper.
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Weapon H #1 - introduction of Wendigo
Weapon H #2 - fight and Kill the Wendigo
Weapon H #3 - he finds out about the guy who is trying to capture him and fight brood creatures. Introduction of Manthing
Weapon H #4 - fight manthing and gets captured.
Weapon H #5 - mert the person who has been trying to capture him face to face and team up with Manthing and a brood.
Weapon H #6 - Captain America shows up, they fight for a little bit and team up to take out magical creatures.

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he was in weapon x too


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This is a really poor analogy, tbh.
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Not wearing the suit isnt a standard condition. In the one instance of him soing so it was a couple issues into a story aek. Why should we assume its a given for him to use. CS has appeared in over 100 issues and removed the suit once. He goes to that as often as Thor uses god blast and we rarely tall god blast in forums

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Not wearing the suit isnt a standard condition. In the one instance of him soing so it was a couple issues into a story aek. Why should we assume its a given for him to use. CS has appeared in over 100 issues and removed the suit once. He goes to that as often as Thor uses god blast and we rarely tall god blast in forums


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That would be the deciding factor to me. CS and Weapon Hulk or any other Class 100 hero should be roughly equals in strength. The invulnerability, durability should be the deciding factor. CS can hurt Weapon H most likely, but could he dish out enough damage to counter his HF? I somehow doubt it. On the other hand, could Weapon H even hurt CS? Adamantium claws paired with Hulks strength should be able to overcome CS invulnerability, me thinks. Which means Weapon H has a better chance to win.


You have to remember Steel is made of that organic steel all tje way through. Its not JUST getting through.

Alao he regenerates. Part of him becoming Steel had an amputated leg regrow due to the steel. The extent of his regen has never been explored since hes never been damaged.

Honestly I see this as a stalemate with neither able to sufficiently damage the other

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Not wearing the suit isnt a standard condition. In the one instance of him soing so it was a couple issues into a story aek. Why should we assume its a given for him to use. CS has appeared in over 100 issues and removed the suit once. He goes to that as often as Thor uses god blast and we rarely tall god blast in forums
You compared CS removing his suit, to Superman sundipping. That is a very poor analogy, and in no way/shape/form are those examples similar.

As mentioned, even if you want to assume that CS is going to go full-retard in a forum battle and neuter his strength/movement by keeping his suit on, a few slashy-slashes from WH would peel off the majority of his suit anyway. So either way, it's likely coming off. /shrug



...And the Godblast has come up in most 'classic' Thor threads, btw.


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