Stilt told me that Croc >= Aquaman, and obviously Aquaman is > Creed, so Croc wins.
Seriously though, I dunno. My gut says Creed based on what I believed was Croc's average, but Creed's downturn in recent years can be said to hurt his average to, according to some.
If I was writing it in a comic, Creed would win after a vicious, bloody match.
But I say this from a guy who pretty much hasn't read any Sabretooth or focused on him at all, but is he really facing things that he could have laughed off in his prime outside Adamantium? The only questionable one I can think of is the Deadpool showing and that was Deadpool's best showing ever... probably. Seems he's just getting more exposure to the Marvel Universe. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Okay, I am a bit disappointed that you Wolverine fans let Dareangel get away with this post. This wouldn't have happened back in the day.
Let's break this down my man. The first problem with your examples is that they completely ignore context, or get it wrong completely.
vs Gambit.
Ignoring massive context. Sabretooth was literally bound and gagged when Gambit "owned" him in h2h. Additionally, Gambit put him through a Danger Room session with lethal force enabled beforehand. It's literally a meaningless showing.
Their other encounter was a first strike scenario, wherein Mindee Cuckoo telepathically guided Gambit's cards into Sabretooth's mouth. Then Gambit continued to follow up. Almost no one in low meta could survive an unanswered barrage from Gambit. Even Wolverine knows to play hit-and-run when Gambit has a full deck in hand. Even still, Sabretooth was fine until Northstar showed up to finish him off.
vs Beast
This is a lie. Sabretooth had just fought Caliban, Cyclops, and Iceman. He was on the run after months of imprisonment at the X-Mansion. He escaped to a train where Beast ambushed him, and Sabretooth, in one hit, still had Beast dead to rights before Cyclops returned to save Beast's ass. Beast later fought Sabretooth with a group and still got saved by Jean once Sabretooth started to fight back.
vs Wolverine
Wolverine, one of the top martial artists and low metas in all of comics, is capable of beating Sabretooth and vice versa. What is the problem here?
vs Sasquatch
This is a lie, or at least a gross misrepresentation. Sabretooth was winning that encounter until he got snow his eyes and Sasquatch got free punches off.....that Sabretooth healed from instantly. If anything, it's just an average healing feat for Creed.
The second mistake you make is pretending certain things are low showings when they aren't.
vs Sinister
In what upside down world is losing to Sinister a bad showing? He's choked Colossus too and slapped Rogue around. Heck, the guy has shrugged off dogpiles from X-Men lineups including Rogue, Colossus, Jean, Storm, Wolverine, Dazzler, Havok etc.
vs Omega Red
As with Sinister, how is this a low showing? Omega Red drains your life force. Apart from outliers like current Monet, this would happen to most metas. You think Killer Croc would fare better in either of these scenarios?
You'll need to provide credible examples if you really want people to buy this "Sabretooth sucks" mantra you keep chanting. Sabretooth isn't starting from some massive disadvantage in this fight. It's Sabretooth at full capacity. The one that walks off punches from Hulk...
Wolverine went Berserker, and was tooling that entire room, albeit briefly. He was getting beat up beforehand by Sabes alone, possibly to trigger the rage.
Sabes was still conscious though. Just pinned down. Seemed like partly a high showing for Wolverine, and a partly derp showing for the others. Omega Red just stood around jacking off.
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Nah, it's mostly just the dareangels of the world misrepresenting stuff. Sabretooth hasn't actually had many fights play out to completion recently, so there's not much to add that we didn't already know. People see Deadpool land a hit, the fight gets interrupted, and everyone screams "SEE, DEADPOOL STOMPS! SABRETOOTH SUCKS! TOLD YA!"
Of the fights we see play out fully, he's against folks just plain outside his power class. He's fought Weapon H, Hulk, Monet(not fully but the message was clear), etc. Not really a knock against Sabes for struggling against them.
Against Wolverine, yeah, probably the only valid one. Then again, Wolverine has been doing better against a few folks in general. Gambit, Captain America, Omega Red, etc. Maybe he just got a silent upgrade or something.
problem is, gambit owned sabretooth twice in h2h. 1 time in the danger room yes, however, are you implying jumping around in the danger room made sabretooth weaker? oh right, the good old strawman of "he took a shit before the fight so he wasnt 100% power". of course, lets also ignore he has a healing factor. second fight, they were fighting in the mountains and gambit owned sabretooth with his staff by completely humiliating him.
vs beast
again the strawman of sabretooth took a shit so he wasnt 100%. sabretooth didnt fight caliban he just electrecuted him. sabretooth didnt fight cyclops and iceman all he did was avoid scotts eye beam, grab his eyes, then hit iceman and jump out of the window. dont tell me sabretooth is such a snowflake that jumping from a window = him being weaken. and once again, lets ignore his healing factor right? not that he needs his healing factor in the first place. i mean heal from what exactly? jumping out of a window? he had plenty of time to recover until he got to the subway. if anything, lets use your logic and say beast wasnt 100% also because he chased sabretooth and he doesnt have same healing factor as creed. this is just a dumb argument i am sorry my man, but it doesnt make sense.
he got surprise attacked by beast, however after that punch, he attacked beast and was getting owned during the entire fight until the end. the x men arrived and yes beast was at the recieving end at that moment, however beast did much better.
you are twisting things. jean did not save beast the second time. beast punched sabretooth making him bleed and dropping on his knees. then sabretooth jumped on beast and the both of them were falling off the building. jean contained beast in a force field preventing him from falling off the building. nothing to do with saving him from sabretooth.
vs wolverine
what is the problem? the fact recently he is ONE SHOTTING sabretooth left and right.
vs sasquatch
are you making things up? sabretooth was getting smashed by sasquatch until sasquatch just fell into his wooden trap.
vs sinister
and how is your argument changing the fact sabretooth got choked by sinister with 1 hand again? i didnt say being overpowered by sinister is a low showing, dont put words into my mouth. what i did say however, is that sabretooth is getting owned all the time. and yes, even thought sinister is a tough guy, getting treated like sabretooth did is humiliating. could at least try to fight back.
vs omega red
again, just like with mister sinister, losing to omega red isnt low, however, it was pointed out to show yet another character that owned sabretooth for his losing record. people are putting his claws + healing factor as something that is the end of all fights vs killer croc. so i am showing that his claws + healing factor, didnt prevent him from getting his ass handed to him in those situations.
i didnt say sabretooth sucks. i did say he gets his ass beat up a lot, which is the truth. he is a punching bag i am sorry. what are his wins? please, enlighten me on his great winning record, i would love to hear that.
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