Batman,for me, is the reader. 'if I had access to this network of superheroes, what would I do?'
CIS, in effect, is turned off for him by default. Interact with Superman on the daily? I would carry a Kryptonite ring with me in a lead lined pocket ohhhhh Batman does that.
He thinks like a villain. Take loved ones hostage? I'd get Catwoman to take Lois hostage ohhhhh Batman does that.
CIS is on for his team mates - because it isn't stupidity, per se, but rather, they don't think like that. Hal was part of the armed forces - imagine going into battle with plans to take your wingman down. He wouldn't think like that, Batman does. Barry is part of the police force etc etc.
TBH, i was hoping for (but not at all expecting) more posts like yours, and some earlier ones re: Aquaman, that would draw the conclusion that none of the JLA are actually useless, that they all serve a purpose in making the Big 7 line up the most iconic and imitated in comics.
How? Aren’t you also doing the same thing? Speed is Flash and his families main power, yet Batman is able to hit Zoom because he’s able to intercept him?
1. You act like Superman doesn’t have super speed. Or haven’t gone up against being with far more Kryptonite in their arsenals. The fact that you think pis/cis doesn’t play in favor of Batman, while limiting the heroes he’s fighting is ludicrous. The next time Superman goes against against and beat a being made of Kryptonite, and next week Batman drops him with a mere piece of Kryptonite, come and tell me pis/cis doesn’t favor Batman.
2. Acting like Superman couldn’t just fry Batman, or Catwoman with his laser beams before they could react! I guess you brought up the kinapping thanks to that atrocious run by Loeb?
3. Hal have killed multiple times, in fight, he would casually stay in the air and blow Batman away from a ftl blast. Acting like Barry wouldn’t break Bruce’s legs in a heartbeat just because he’s the police. How many times have Barry or Wally indangers the Earth in their fight with Zoom or Solomon again?
Again, don’t make me laugh with such useless attempt to make Batman better than what he is.
Would you care to BZ me? Batman and Superman have known each other for....let's say 5 years?
So Batman has 5 years' prep.
You can rep Superman, but you are only allowed to stay within character. So bell rings, you have your superspeed etc, but in character, you don't snatch Batman - your friend-'s head off. Superman goes into battle and takes a punch or two. Then unleashes.
However, if things are not going your way (so for example, I'm-somehow-beating you to death), you're not going to be an idiot and stand there taking it. No 'Gee whiz Bruce! You're smashing my face in!!!'
No. You get to use whatever you want, within the confines of Superman being in character (i.e. what he has actually done).
Me? I get to do whatever Batman has done. So no, I'm not suddenly shouting Shazam and gaining powers, but I get to use whatever has been shown to be in my possession/tactics etc.
That should remove pis and cis, right? You should be able to laugh my feeble attacks off. Am sure you have a wealth of Superman scans to use in your favour.
Your third point was either ignorance,or you read my post wrong.
Right!!! Because Superman always start his fights out of character?
Or the only way Clark ever wins a fight is to be out of character right?
I mean according to you, that’s how Clark ends up beating the likes of Luthor, a man far smarter Bruce, or Metallo, or any other bad guys he’s ever fought.
Lol. BZs definitely remove PIS, and hopefully remove CIS, lol. That's why I threw it down in this case.
If Squall truly believes Superman is hampered by writers, and Batman's only chance is due to writers writing him favourably (which is of course, always possible) then attempting to write a confrontation without Batman bias, as it were, should show how easy it is.
'Match starts, Superman laughs at the Kryptonite batarang, then HVs Bruce's face off. The end.'. That kinda thing.
See, now you're saying what should be, rather than what is. Batman has enough consistent showings to prove his worth at this point.
That's a really weak argument. I can fix a computer, but even if you slap the speed force on me, I'm not going to be building Apollo rockets any time soon. Barry is smart, sure, but he's not on Bruce's level when it comes to pure detective work. Why? Because it's about more than evidence.
Superman typically does, unless that's changed in recent years. Last I checked Bats had not one win against Superman in canon, but that was years ago.
Who cares though? We aren't talking about which hero beats the others in a fight. We are talking about their relative contributions to the team. And Batman does provide something the others do not.
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