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Power Man vs Iron Fist

Lets do this.

Forget who won in the comics (It's actually pretty even). Could Cage's best durability feats defeat the Iron Fist's best punching feats?


Who wins?


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Well, in the comics...

j/k, i’m undecided.


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Me too. smile


Claremont was all over the map on Cage's durability.


This is Cage taking an Iron Fist:



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Looks cut and dry, Cage can tank the Iron Fist.



The problem is, Claremont also wrote this:


https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Po...p;readType=0#12

A bunch of absurdly silver age robot goons some gangster made (Because every low rent thug had super weapons back then.). Cage couldn't dent them, and actually hurt his hand trying.

A single Iron Fist scrapped about a half dozen of these things.



So Claremont has Cage > Iron Fist directly, but < Iron Fist indirectly.


I dunno, maybe he just didn't think it through. Or maybe he was told not to make Cage look bad in their fight by editorial (It was originally his solo series, after all), and he went all in to satisfy them, then passive aggressively wrote his real opinion on their power levels?

You got me, but it's an interesting bit of contradictory writing from the same writer.


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Or maybe Cage more durable than he is strong. Though that 'hurt his hand' is pretty bad.


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Or maybe Cage more durable than he is strong. Though that 'hurt his hand' is pretty bad.


Exactly the part that confuses me.

He was also knocked cold by an even bigger robot.

He got to punch that particular model apart later, but only after Danny showed him where the weak points were.


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Cage has always fluctuated, even in terms of losses and during an era where comics where a lot more consistent. When Bannerless Hulk one-shotted him through Skyscrapers, it should have liquidated him, not just knocked him out.

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Absolutely.

From writer to writer, Cage varies wildly. The interesting thing here, is both showings were from Claremont, within the first five issues he wrote of Power Man and Iron Fist.

Comparing, say, Priest to Mary Jo Duffy is one thing. Priest, A.K.A. Owlsley, had the famous one hit KO Iron Fist.

While MJD had this conversation:

Danny: You're going to kill him!

Cage: Then why don't you try and stop me?

Danny: You know I can't! But this isn't you!


She also wrote Danny unable to harm a character named Warhawk, who has steel hard skin like Cage. And then had Luke soundly defeat him.



So ok, one writer thinks Cage is > Iron Fist, and one thinks Cage < Iron Fist, and this shows in everything they write.

Claremont, his writing shows both. A full power IF can't defeat Cage, and yet he has no trouble against robots Cage hurts his hands on.


It gets worse: Claremont also co-wrote another story with Warhawk, and had Danny KO him, without using the Iron Fist.

It was a terrible story, but it happened. The Iron Fist was only used to bust a dam, while "steel hard skin" Warhawk went down to a series of spin kicks and a backhand.


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Re: Power Man vs Iron Fist

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Lets do this.

Forget who won in the comics (It's actually pretty even). Could Cage's best durability feats defeat the Iron Fist's best punching feats?


Who wins?


You want to use their classic versions only? Or just wanted to start with those?


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Or maybe Cage more durable than he is strong. Though that 'hurt his hand' is pretty bad.


There's no "maybe". That's how Cage works.

Of course, his strength level has increased dramatically over the years... there's no denying that. He can even thunderclap now.


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^^^So could this girl i knew in Hoboken back in the day. She made good money w. that move.

I’m tentatively leaning towards Cage in this one after some thought.


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The problem is, Claremont also wrote this:


https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Po...p;readType=0#12


Oh my God. That was TERRIBLE.
Now I remember y I stuck to FF, Doctor Strange, Thor and X-Men.
There were some great books back then. But there was some real crap also.
Seriously. I dont want to remember ANY of that book.
It's depressing me.

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It wasn't Claremonts best work, I'll admit.


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I dunno, maybe he just didn't think it through. Or maybe he was told not to make Cage look bad in their fight by editorial (It was originally his solo series, after all), and he went all in to satisfy them, then passive-aggressively wrote his real opinion on their power levels?

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Cage has always fluctuated, even in terms of losses and during an era where comics where a lot more consistent. When Bannerless Hulk one-shotted him through Skyscrapers, it should have liquidated him, not just knocked him out.

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I might go Cage I also read somewhere that he had become more powerful post his upgrade in the Cage series.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Cage_(Earth-616)

After undergoing the original experiment, Cage's strength was increased to superhuman levels. Initially, it was only sufficient enough to lift approximately 5 tons, but with a second Burstein Process, intensive/extensive physical training, and years of experience as a superhero, his strength was increased to approximately 25 tons and he is able to punch through barriers as thick as 4-inch steel plate.[63][60] While his experience fighting crime allows for him to gauge the amount of force he exerts, he has been known to cut loose in cases of extreme stress often hinting that he's much stronger than his limits suggest. His strength is currently increased to 50 tons or much more.[64]

That bit on bold is from New Avengers Vol 2 #10 apparently.


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I might go Cage I also read somewhere that he had become more powerful post his upgrade in the Cage series.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Cage_(Earth-616)

After undergoing the original experiment, Cage's strength was increased to superhuman levels. Initially, it was only sufficient enough to lift approximately 5 tons, but with a second Burstein Process, intensive/extensive physical training, and years of experience as a superhero, his strength was increased to approximately 25 tons and he is able to punch through barriers as thick as 4-inch steel plate.[63][60] While his experience fighting crime allows for him to gauge the amount of force he exerts, he has been known to cut loose in cases of extreme stress often hinting that he's much stronger than his limits suggest. His strength is currently increased to 50 tons or much more.[64]

That bit on bold is from New Avengers Vol 2 #10 apparently.


That goes for Danny too, though. The Living Weapon series established he can super amp himself off chi from the environment, people, animals, ect.

He's also fairly tough now. Prince of Orphans hit him with a chi attack that looked like a Kamehameha, blasted him from K'un L'un into the sky, and he came in like a missile skipping along ice and snow. And he walked away.


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Iron Fist. I like Luke Cage and he stands a pretty good chance. But Danny's got it.


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Luke Cage would be able to handle pretty much anything Danny throws at him, and knock his lights out sooner or later.

Not easily, but he'd endure long enough for a victory.


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Luke Cage would be able to handle pretty much anything Danny throws at him, and knock his lights out sooner or later.

Not easily, but he'd endure long enough for a victory.

Not a high end IF.


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High end cage can deal with high end iron fist.


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