Again...and ssssshhh listen. Vader’s suit compensated for his loss of limbs and suit.
The force compensated for Yodas old age...I mean he used it to flip, run, etc.
Snoke needs his guards.
We’ve seen that Sidious can fight with a saber though. Also Luke was nothing to him, he needed his saber vs yoda and Windu. Snoke didn’t need a saber because Rey was a nobody. But he feared Luke so he didn’t want to face him.
You cannot possibly be that dense. Snoke should be miles above Dooku's level based on scaling alone.
Dooku was considered a great prodigy by everyone including Yoda, and one of the most powerful masters in the order's history, and he gets much stronger as a Sith.
Then Anakin appears, and every Force user he ever meets creams their pants at his potential. In the 3 years of constant conflict between AOTC and ROTS he goes from the level of an above average knight to thoroughly trouncing Dooku. It takes Anakin just few years to achieve more than Dooku did in a lifetime.
Fast forward 20 years and Luke appears, and he's an even greater prodigy than Anakin. In ESB with just a few weeks of training he is able to hold his own against Vader, himself one of the strongest Sith in history. Everyone knows that 80% of the Emperor's power quote. By the time ROTJ rolls around Luke can completely overpower and defeat Vader, and he's basically just at the start of his career.
Then Kylo and Rey appear, and their potential and raw power absolutely terrifies Luke, who had met both Vader and Palpatine. Each successive generation of Chosen Ones grows much stronger at a much quicker pace. And Snoke can utterly dominate the latest generation with just a few hand gestures.
You know how Sidious lusted over Anakin's potential? Well Snoke couldn't give a shit about Rey's potential, he decides to just kill her. In the book he thinks to himself that she could grow amazingly powerful, but he just doesn't need it. He treats Kylo like a dog. That's because he considers himself to be above their level.
Snoke is above Jedi and Sith. All evidence points to it, people just don't like to admit it.
Numerous sources mention Snoke’s obsession with Kylo’s potential. The Last Jedi Visual Dictionary says Snoke coveted Kylo in part because he believed only someone with the Skywalker bloodline could defeat Luke. There is only one Chosen One, Anakin. Jason Fry, author of the Last Jedi novel, says Snoke likely feared attracting Sheev’s attention.
So I mean I guess you have a point, except for all the ones you just tried to make.
Ehhh, this line of reasoning ignores a lot of context. Potential is nice but potential =/= practical application. As you yourself just noted, Anakin had the potential to be the strongest force user in history but he was still casually destroyed by Dooku the first time they fought. Potential has to be forged into something with training. Rey might have astounded Luke with her potential but we have little evidence that she could consciously harness that power by the time she confronted Snoke. She had after all received barely even just three lessons from a master.
If the cornerstone of your argument for Snoke's power level relies on his domination of Rey, you should probably rethink your stance.
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Potential is irrelevant if it is primarily untapped. I mean, TPM Anakin still had the greatest confirmed *potential* in the entire damn mythos... But that gargantuan reservoir of unharnessed potential doesn't mean he wouldn't have been finger-flick-pwned by even the lowliest Padawans in the mythos, however.
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Excepting that even without training that potential manifests itself in moments of extreme physical or emotional duress. An adolescent Kylo almost killed Luke when fearing for his life, Rey managed to hold her own against Kylo and put Luke on his ass when angered, in the EU an infant Galen Marek snatched Vader's saber from him.
The point I'm making is, why didn't a much more powerful Kylo manage to do the same to Snoke in a fit of anger? Here is Snoke twisting a knife into Kylo's psyche, exposing and mocking Kylo's inner most fears and insecurities until Kylo loses control and lashes out. Yet all he manages to do is to be knocked on his ass in a split second.
Same with Rey. Even a hint of her unleashing her powers is enough to scare Luke, yet when Snoke is torturing her and all her friends are getting decimated she is completely helpless. Luke can barely handle her but against Snoke she is a babe in the woods.
The very fact that the director chose to kill him by subterfuge and have the film's set piece battle to be against the guards shows he was meant to be way, way above them, even as a team.
The quotes about the GFFA's knowledge of the Force coming from the unknown regions, Snoke being from there, and Snoke knowing secrets Sidious sought just seals the deal.
It points to the fact that the modern Jedi and Sith traditions are flawed, their understanding of the Force is incomplete, and their teachings were diluted with the passing of thousands of years. Basically, Snoke was there at the very source, while Luke, Yoda, Sidious and the rest are working with whatever knowledge filtered down throughout the millenia.
The Jedi and Sith are like the guys in the Early Middle Ages pouring over the scraps of knowledge that survived the fall of the Roman Empire, meanwhile Snoke is like someone who traveled forward through time straight from the Senate.
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Suit made him living possible. He needed that due to being a true cripple in every sense of the word. Yoda needs the force just like everyone in Star Wars to perform superhuman physical feats unless their alien dna is superior to humans.
He uses them but it never states he cannot world a light saber. That was your claim.
Yoda walking with a cane. When he uses the force he overcomes his physical limitations. I have already said this numerous times.
Sidious has time to defend himself he was just unable to prevent his death despite seconds of screaming all the way down to his death.
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