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Originally posted by Unbowed
Excepting that even without training that potential manifests itself in moments of extreme physical or emotional duress. An adolescent Kylo almost killed Luke when fearing for his life, Rey managed to hold her own against Kylo and put Luke on his ass when angered, in the EU an infant Galen Marek snatched Vader's saber from him.

The point I'm making is, why didn't a much more powerful Kylo manage to do the same to Snoke in a fit of anger? Here is Snoke twisting a knife into Kylo's psyche, exposing and mocking Kylo's inner most fears and insecurities until Kylo loses control and lashes out. Yet all he manages to do is to be knocked on his ass in a split second.

Same with Rey. Even a hint of her unleashing her powers is enough to scare Luke, yet when Snoke is torturing her and all her friends are getting decimated she is completely helpless. Luke can barely handle her but against Snoke she is a babe in the woods.

The very fact that the director chose to kill him by subterfuge and have the film's set piece battle to be against the guards shows he was meant to be way, way above them, even as a team.

The quotes about the GFFA's knowledge of the Force coming from the unknown regions, Snoke being from there, and Snoke knowing secrets Sidious sought just seals the deal.

It points to the fact that the modern Jedi and Sith traditions are flawed, their understanding of the Force is incomplete, and their teachings were diluted with the passing of thousands of years. Basically, Snoke was there at the very source, while Luke, Yoda, Sidious and the rest are working with whatever knowledge filtered down throughout the millenia.

The Jedi and Sith are like the guys in the Early Middle Ages pouring over the scraps of knowledge that survived the fall of the Roman Empire, meanwhile Snoke is like someone who traveled forward through time straight from the Senate.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Suit made him living possible. He needed that due to being a true cripple in every sense of the word. Yoda needs the force just like everyone in Star Wars to perform superhuman physical feats unless their alien dna is superior to humans.

He uses them but it never states he cannot world a light saber. That was your claim.

Yoda walking with a cane. When he uses the force he overcomes his physical limitations. I have already said this numerous times.


Sidious has time to defend himself he was just unable to prevent his death despite seconds of screaming all the way down to his death.

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Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
All that says to me was that Luke was a chump

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Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Yoda used the force to compensate his old age, Vader’s suit allowed him to live, Snokes guards fought for him. lol there you go

Yes but again Yodas just old Snokes crippled

What time? He was grabbed from behind lol. You’re really implying Vader is as strong as Sidious now I guess anything to be a fanboy huh?

Tell me is that as bad as Snoke being inside Kylos mind talking shit then getting killed. He was so stupid he couldn’t even read kylos mind lol.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
He also turned Vader from the darkness.
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Originally posted by victreebelvictr
I don’t see how this makes Luke more powerful.

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Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
And Snoke never fought did he? Nope. He toyed around with two nobodies, what’s impressive about that? Proof, the new visual dictionary says he needs them.

Doesn’t matter, Snoke is injured yoda isn’t.

Snoke was in Kylos mind for a while yet couldn’t see him trying to kill him? Everyone pointed out to you how that makes no sense.

Based on what, he’s dead.

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Originally posted by Unbowed
Excepting that even without training that potential manifests itself in moments of extreme physical or emotional duress. An adolescent Kylo almost killed Luke when fearing for his life, Rey managed to hold her own against Kylo and put Luke on his ass when angered, in the EU an infant Galen Marek snatched Vader's saber from him.

The point I'm making is, why didn't a much more powerful Kylo manage to do the same to Snoke in a fit of anger? Here is Snoke twisting a knife into Kylo's psyche, exposing and mocking Kylo's inner most fears and insecurities until Kylo loses control and lashes out. Yet all he manages to do is to be knocked on his ass in a split second.

Same with Rey. Even a hint of her unleashing her powers is enough to scare Luke, yet when Snoke is torturing her and all her friends are getting decimated she is completely helpless. Luke can barely handle her but against Snoke she is a babe in the woods.

The very fact that the director chose to kill him by subterfuge and have the film's set piece battle to be against the guards shows he was meant to be way, way above them, even as a team.

The quotes about the GFFA's knowledge of the Force coming from the unknown regions, Snoke being from there, and Snoke knowing secrets Sidious sought just seals the deal.

It points to the fact that the modern Jedi and Sith traditions are flawed, their understanding of the Force is incomplete, and their teachings were diluted with the passing of thousands of years. Basically, Snoke was there at the very source, while Luke, Yoda, Sidious and the rest are working with whatever knowledge filtered down throughout the millenia.

The Jedi and Sith are like the guys in the Early Middle Ages pouring over the scraps of knowledge that survived the fall of the Roman Empire, meanwhile Snoke is like someone who traveled forward through time straight from the Senate.

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Originally posted by Tzeentch
Kylo almost killed a Luke that was actively not trying to fight him, and was by his own admission emotionally compromised and barely in control of himself. Rey held her own against a Kylo who was bleeding profusely after having been shot in the stomach by a weapon that, 30 minutes earlier, was launching grown men in battle armor 10 feet into the air- a Kylo whom we're told in the very next film was also emotionally compromised and not in control of himself during the fight.

You're relying alot on interpretation and presumptions in fights that have a lot of unique circumstances involved within them.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Dont make me pull out Surturs meme of dead Snoke. That one is truly embarrassing.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
And youre just a throwaway villain.

Like literally thrown away, like garbage.