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The fact that a doctor can treat the sick, save lives, continue to do good deeds and somehow ends up in the same place as genocidal maniacs like Hitler and Stalin, just because he doesn't believe in a mystical allmighty being for which little-to-no evidence exists, is morally abhorrent to me.

It's an absolutely repugnant stance that someone gets sent to eternal damnation for being an atheist, despite living a good life. If anything, the atheist should be given a higher reward. An atheist doesn't fear eternal punishment, nor hope for eternal reward; rather he does a good thing because he knows it's moral. Whereas most Christians do it just to get a free ticket "upstairs", as it were.


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Please explain how God is evil.


If you don't believe in him you burn in hell it seems lol.

If God is real I understand sending evil people to hell, but people who merely do not believe in him are not evil at any sane standard.

Plus there is also the whole baby killing thing. Babies are evil though so he gets a pass I guess.


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Plus there is also the whole baby killing thing.


Knew you were going to say that: https://www.desiringgod.org/intervi...e-old-testament


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If you don't believe in him you burn in hell it seems lol.

If God is real I understand sending evil people to hell, but people who merely do not believe in him are not evil at any sane standard.

Plus there is also the whole baby killing thing. Babies are evil though so he gets a pass I guess.
they still have sinned in their life, no matter how good they are.

You can’t be perfect, never sinning is the only other way to get to Heaven.


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The fact that a doctor can treat the sick, save lives, continue to do good deeds and somehow ends up in the same place as genocidal maniacs like Hitler and Stalin, just because he doesn't believe in a mystical allmighty being for which little-to-no evidence exists, is morally abhorrent to me.

It's an absolutely repugnant stance that someone gets sent to eternal damnation for being an atheist, despite living a good life. If anything, the atheist should be given a higher reward. An atheist doesn't fear eternal punishment, nor hope for eternal reward; rather he does a good thing because he knows it's moral. Whereas most Christians do it just to get a free ticket "upstairs", as it were.
all have still sinned so your point is vague.


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So everyone goes to hell, then? Again, morally abhorrent.


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So everyone goes to hell, then? Again, morally abhorrent.
unless of course, you give your life to Christ.


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So everyone goes to hell, then? Again, morally abhorrent.


I choose to believe that if there is a Heaven and Hell, ie eternal pleasure or eternal pain after death, a God with infinite wisdom wouldn't judge all souls on a single utterly simple and pointless merit of "Did you accept Jesus/Me as your savior?".

That's something a petulant child would do in deciding who gets to go into their tree fort or not. "Not Timmy, he doesn't think I'm the best!"

Though I find the whole idea of heaven and hell to be ridiculous, it's clearly an invention of humanity as a form of control for the masses, imo.


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unless of course, you give your life to Christ.
This God/Christ guy is a bit of a needy immature prick isn't he?


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I choose to believe that if there is a Heaven and Hell, ie eternal pleasure or eternal pain after death, a God with infinite wisdom wouldn't judge all souls on a single utterly simple and pointless merit of "Did you accept Jesus/Me as your savior?".

That's something a petulant child would do in deciding who gets to go into their tree fort or not. "Not Timmy, he doesn't think I'm the best!"

Though I find the whole idea of heaven and hell to be ridiculous, it's clearly an invention of humanity as a form of control for the masses, imo.



You have universal mores and creation stories that are seen throughout the world from the beginning of time.


You choose to see these things as "Control" rather than man's fundamental recognition of a supreme being.


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This God/Christ guy is a bit of a needy immature prick isn't he?


Offering eternal life and peace is not the actions of an immature or needy individual.


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Offering eternal life and peace is not the actions of an immature or needy individual.
It is if the condition for it is the unconditional belief and adoration of the individual without giving them any empirical justification to believe that you're even real my man.

Why would God care whether or not you worship him? Why is it so important to him?


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It is if the condition for it is the unconditional belief and adoration of the individual without giving them any empirical justification to believe that you're even real my man.

Why would God care whether or not you worship him? Why is it so important to him?
worshipping doesn’t get you to heaven. You can worship your entire life without giving your life to Christ and you’ll still find a place in hell.


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worshipping doesn’t get you to heaven. You can worship your entire life without giving your life to Christ and you’ll still find a place in hell.
What a cowardly way to dodge the question.


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Well, he deserves to be worshipped.

One who has never sinned should be worshipped.

It’s not really important to Him as you make it sounds, unless of course, you can cite evidence proving me otherwise.


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Well it certainly seems pretty important to him as if I don't worship him, he apparently gives me a one way ticket to eternal suffering and torment. What a great guy.

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Did you not read what I just posted?

You don’t have to worship to reach Heaven or Hell.


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Don't you have to except Jesus as your lord and savior in your heart or something? That sounds an awful lot like worship to me...

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Don't you have to except Jesus as your lord and savior in your heart or something? That sounds an awful lot like worship to me...
Believing in something doesn’t mean you have to worship it twenty-four/seven.


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Knew you were going to say that: https://www.desiringgod.org/intervi...e-old-testament


Dude, I haven't even read most of your link, but here is the first part:

"It's right for God to slaughter women and children anytime he pleases. God gives life and he takes life. Everybody who dies, dies because God wills that they die. "

Wtf lol. That sounds like a super villain.

EDIT: I read it. It seems like nothing but a lousy justification for genocide. "God told him to annihilate the people so he did". Lol. You are worshiping some sort of thing that promotes genocide.

Oh I'm sorry, he apparently spared 8 people. So not 100% genocide! Achievement denied.


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