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I was thinking, manga Goku's durability doesn't seem any higher. He's just really good at dodging.
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Yeah, it was made clear during the ToP that Hit's temporal shenanigans were next to worthless against a Jiren who hadn't even began powering up yet. Giving Hit the ability to kill wouldn't change that.
MUI is overkill by many, many, many orders of magnitude.
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Like Jiren said, relying on openings is not true strength. I think MUI Goku is much weaker then Jiren. Less strength, less durability, less power. They only look comparable, because Goku is cheating with a technique that auto dodges for him, and allows perfect counters.
If Hit freeze's Goku and lands a clean hit, it will have the same effect if it was Goku without MUI. Odds are, Goku isn't even as strong as in blue form, and is closer to base power levels, which Roshi established you don't need much of if you have technique.
Basically, Ultra Instinct is the apex of skill vs power. It's Toriyama phasing out power levels, in favor of skill.
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Jiren just said that because he was butthurt that Goku was the superior fighter, lol. If you leave yourself open, you get hit. That's how fighting works.
Anyway, MUI Goku's strikes/blasts took a HUGE toll on Jiren. So clearly MUI boosted Goku's power astronomically in the manga, just like it did in the anime. If Goku's power wouldn't have increased in proportion with his skill, his attacks wouldn't have done a damn thing to a powered-up Jiren.
Hit couldn't freeze Jiren before he had even began powering up, yet you think he can freeze MUI Goku?
Good god.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 28th, 2018 at 12:31 PM
If it was only Jiren who said that, but Belmond reinforced his comment by cooly calling it a "trick".
We know even the most powerful characters are vulnerable if they're caught off guard. UI probably catch's them just at the moment their guard is down, making the user look far more powerful then they actually are.
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And this means what, exactly? Belmond is Jiren's biggest fangirl... Of course he's not going to acknowledge the impressiveness of MUI like many of the other Gods did.
Are you trying to act like MUI doesn't also amp Goku's power tremendously? Do you also remember how he dissipated Jiren's energy ball in the anime?
That isn't how this works.
MUI Goku was tagging Jiren because he was the superior fighter, and his blows were powerful enough to cause major damage to Jiren. If Goku's power would have been significantly inferior to Jiren's(as you're suggesting), Jiren could have just sat in one spot and allowed Goku to melee his face, without sustaining any damage.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 28th, 2018 at 03:12 PM
Or like Kale did the inferior to Blue (Considering Toppo is their strongest member, and wasn't in on that attack) Pride Troopers?
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No, more like ASSB Vegeta did to a (non-powered up) Jiren in the previous chapter: landed a few solid blows that barely even managed to scratch Jiren, because Vegeta simply wasn't powerful enough to damage him.
Punches aren't going to do shit unless they're powerful enough to cause damage. MUI is a gargantuan amp in both skill AND power -- that's why Goku's strikes f*cked Jiren up, when nothing beforehand had been able to damage him at all.
And then of course there's this:
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Surely you don't think SSB or even Omen UI would've given Goku enough of a power-boost to casually gesture away Jiren's energy ball like that..?
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 28th, 2018 at 07:16 PM
Again, Kale went from shrugging off Golden Freeza and Goku Blue, to being knocked around by a group of relatively weaker Pride Troopers, 'cause teamwork.
If Kales that powerful, she should have tanked their attacks, the same way Toppo stood firm against Vegeta's best punch's.
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