The Black Swordsman replaces Frodo as the ring bearer. What happens?
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Cool Thread. I guess the real question is, how resistant would Guts be to the ring? If he can resist it then he simply walks into Mordor in the most direct way possible while hacking apart anything that comes close and then simply glares the ring into Mt Doom with the shear power if his manliness. Seriously, not much could stop him imo.
Well, he lives day and night with the Godhead corrupting his mind, invading his dreams, so he's kind of used to it. And the Berserker Armor completely submerges him without help, but he somehow manages to not attack his allies.
Sauron's close enough the Godhead to focus him on beating him, even if he becomes corrupted.
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Yeah Guts could definitely resist the corruption until he drops it in Mt. Doom. And anything that tries to stop him gets cut in half. He's fought off far more powerful creatures than most of what is in LotR, abd many of those times he was at a disadvantage or outnumbered or injured.
That was due to a prophecy not some magic power that makes him invulnerable to men. Altough he does have spells of invulnerability placed on him by Sauron which were undone by Merry's magic sword. I expect Dragonslayer is sufficient to undo these spells as well.
Smaug was taken down by a arrow, all's said and done. Wouldn't have scratched the Apostle.
Another thing, is most of the LOTR enemies aren't Balrog level anyways. They're Orcs, and Trolls, and giant spiders, and undead things. Nothing Guts hasn't fought before.
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So a few LotR feats of note from some of its more formidable characters.
"‘There upon Celebdil was a lonely window in the snow, and before it lay a narrow space, a dizzy eyrie above the mists of the world. The sun shone fiercely there, but all below was wrapped in cloud. Out he sprang, and even as I came behind, he burst into new flame. There was none to see, or perhaps in after ages songs would still be sung of the Battle of the Peak.’ Suddenly Gandalf laughed. ‘But what would they say in song? Those that looked up from afar thought that the mountain was crowned with storm. Thunder they heard, and lightning, they said, smote upon Celebdil, and leaped back broken into tongues of fire. Is not that enough? A great smoke rose about us, vapour and steam. Ice fell like rain. I threw down my enemy, and he fell from the high place and broke the mountain-side where he smote it in his ruin. Then darkness took me; and I strayed out of thought and time, and I wandered far on roads that I will not tell."
- The Two Towers, page 111, Book 3, chapter 5, "The White Rider"
Gandalf threw down the Balrog and broke the side of Zirakzigil, one of the great peaks of the Misty Mountains.
Smaug is ultimately irrelevant to this thread but someone else brought him so I will address him as well. All quotes are from the Hobbit, obviously.
"Thieves! Fire! Murder! Such a thing had not happened since he first came to the Mountain! His (Smaug's) rage passes description - the sort of rage that is only seen when rich folk that have more than they can enjoy suddenly lose something that they have long had but have never before used or wanted. His fire belched forth, the hall smoked, he shook the mountain-roots." Chapter 12 ("Inside Information"); Pages 263-264 (HarperCollins, 1998 Edition)
Smaug shakes the mountain to its roots. How big was this mountain?
We're About nine miles from Smaug to the furthest point of the mountain.
"They had hardly gone any distance down the tunnel when a blow smote the side of the Mountain like the crash of battering-rams made of forest oaks and swung by giants. The rock boomed, the walls cracked and stones fell from the roof on their heads[...]while behind them outside they heard the roar and rumble of Smaug's fury. He was breaking rocks to pieces, smashing wall and cliff with the lashings of his huge tail..." Chapter 12; Pages 280-281
Showcasing his brute strength once more, a tail whip from Smaug can crumble the side of the mountain and cause the walls inside its tunnels to crack.
"With a shriek that deafened men, felled trees and split stone, Smaug shot spouting into the air, turned over and crashed down from on high in ruin. Full on the town he fell. His last throes splintered it to sparks and gledes. The lake roared in. A vast steam leapt up, white in the sudden dark under the moon. There was a hiss, a gushing whirl, and then silence. And that was the end of Smaug and Esgaroth, but not of Bard." Chapter 14; Page 301
His death throes destroy the town of Esgaroth. The least impressive showing, but noteworthy due to it being literally while dying.
As far as the Black Arrow killing Smaug, the Black Arrow is implicitly a magical dwarven weapon and it hit Smaug's sole weak point on his underbelly.
And as for Sauron? Lol.
"Now the lightnings increased and slew men upon the hills, and in the fields, and in the streets of the city; and a fiery bolt smote the dome of the Temple and shore it asunder, and it was wreathed in flame. But the Temple itself was unshaken, and Sauron stood there upon the pinnacle and defied the lightning and was unharmed; and in that hour men called him a god and did all that he would."
- Akallabęth; Silmarillion p 280
Sauron is able to defend the island of Numenor from the wrath of the Valar, a council of angels who can reshape continents with their power. He managed this feat while separated from his ring.
No material character in Berserk has feats of power on par with these. Guts had to put forth a mighty effort to stop a falling mast. Gandalf and the Balrog break mountainsides in their fights, Smaug can do the same, and Sauron can keep the island of Numenor from sinking with his power, among other feats I won't bother finding the quotes for at the moment. Guts would outperform more grounded characters like Aragorn very easily, but he's not quite up to par with the more powerful Elves, dragons, or Maiar.
As for the thread itself, Guts should be able to get to Mount Doom without much trouble. Whether or not he could bear to throw the ring inside the fire is another matter. I'm of the mind that Guts, who already has mightily struggled to repress his darkest impulses and just barely averted becoming a monster as bad as the apostles he fights, would not be able to resist both of these evil forces working in concert. He would find himself unwilling to destroy the One Ring, and unlike Frodo, he will easily be able to kill Gollum so he can't take the ring and proceed to accidentally fall into the fires.
Those just seem like feats of might. Which Guts is no slouch with. Tell me the next time someone in LOTR has the precision to split steel with a sword, or when they're able to arrow-time in one of their weakest forms, or when they're able to cut through one of the hardest materials on their respective universe using something that was inferior as a metal.
Guts is far too fast, he can create tornadoes with his attacks and dodge lightning, in the Berserk armor his strikes are strong enough that they are comparable to that of a cannonball, but in reality they are much stronger due to the cutting edge that the Dragonslayer provides.
I mean honestly, Guts fights things like the Balrog every single damn day, literally every single day, and still wins, he cuts it in half with one swing if we're talking the Berserk armor. Plus Sauron would really have to beat on him to kill him, as the Berserk armor forces you to fight until you lose every drop of blood and all your bones are broken.
Sauron just doesn't seem all that impressive to me, especially based off what you just showed.
Lets not forget all the countless people he get trounced by. He got scared shitless by Eonwe when he was tasked with bringing him in (which is understandable since Eonwe was apparently "the greatest with arms in all of Arda".) But then he gets defeated by Huan, Luthien, surrendered to Ar-Pharazon.
C'mon man, Guts is just an overall better combatant, Sauron is known for his might, but he's more known for his deception and cunning. He's been defeated more then once.
He can't compete on par with the Valar in combat though, and we both know it, they are ALL flat-out better, he's bitched out to people less then Maiar.
Also, yes, a giant fire demon falling from a massive height broke off a huge mountainside, thats surprising, but it's still not really a combat feat.
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