Btw, just for the record, I don't think Guts is taking on most of the higher ups, but combatively, Sauron is legitimately one of the weakest Maiar and is known more for his deception and cunning, when he does take people on 1v1 he usually gets ****ed up.
In fact, Gandalf/Olorin at full power would also give the dude a great fight, may even defeat him.
Infallible the Maia are not, the more they take on people the more they take on mortals, the more they seem to get ****ed up. Guts sword also exists on an astral plane, so anything cut by his blade, whether it's the witch king, the balrog, gods, demons, everything is getting ****ed up by that blade.
ALSO I'd like to say, Grunbeld in his second form is not getting hurt by Smaug, not even close, his skin is made of material much stronger then even diamonds, so at best they can't hurt each other. Guts, however, if he gets close, is chopping that dragon to pieces, he can definitely chop that MF's head clean off if he gets close enough, and thats without the Berserk armor, with it, you now have a dude that is strong enough to hit with a force as great, if not greater then what Smaug can produce as a whole, can't be killed unless Smaug tries to eat him (really bad ****in move), if Smaug tries smacking him, he gets that limb cut off, if he tries eating him, he either gets his head cut off or cut in half, there are literally so many ways Guts can kill that MF it'll make your head spin.
Ancalagon is a completely different story and will roast him in 3.5 seconds.
Don't know anything about that. Only one's I've seen were killed by hobbits and dwarves.
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The thing is, for all this talk of power, you simply don't see it in the main story. Sauron, he gets stabbed through by a sword, while wearing the One Ring. Gandalf, he runs from common trolls and flees from Forrest fires.
Maybe they were simply weakened, for whatever reason. Not in their "final form". Fair enough, but that's what Guts will be facing in this scenerio. Not a Demi-God who can bust mountains, but a hoard that couldn't stop a hobbit and his party.
Guts should never even SEE the Balrog, because he's in no way flee from the army Gandalf and his charges were, who Gandalf himself really should have been able to fend off, but for whatever reason, didn't.
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"Among those of his servants that have names the greatest was that spirit whom the Eldar called Sauron, or Gorthaur the Cruel."
Literally right at the beginning of the book. Sauron is undoubtedly one of the strongest of the Maiar. You brought up his defeats earlier but not only were some out of context, but the rest of those characters are among the strongest in the Legendarium.
Not a chance. Gandalf has admitted his own inferiority to Sauron.
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Gandalf chose not to use his powers to the fullest, its not his fight, the whole reason the Maiar and Valar didn't get involved is because they wanted humans to fight for themselves.
Which seems like the same fan pandering given with Palpatine and Vader.
Doesn't matter, Gut doesn't needs to beat Maiar and Valar non combatants. He just need to clear the main campaign.
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It's outright stated, hell he doesn't even go by his real name, he uses the name "Gandalf".
He could've ended the Witch-King but got beaten by him, he could've easily killed that Balrog with little to no effort, but he didn't.
Hell even today Gothmog vs Sauron is still debated (Gothmog being the most powerful Balrog that ever lived).
But yes, mortals can beat Maiar, but they really shouldn't be able to, it goes against everything they are and what they represent and what they can do.
Granted they are the most powerful of their kind one they do take on Maiar 1v1, but still.
I think the way it works is, Olorin is at the bottom of the Maiar, with Eonwe being at the top undoubtedly.
But Guts could probably take on the Ringwraiths by himself, yeah, he's faced similar odds against similar creatures and still one.
From the film's standpoint: Guts would face the Balrog, Gandalf was forced to go through Moria because Saruman conjured a snowstorm and lighting and blocked the mountain pass (Caradhras).
In the book it's different, Gandalf wanted to cut through Moria, as he believed it would have been safer and more covert, believing the Orcs were shattered after the Battle of Five Armies and possibly Dwarves still made their home somewhere in Moria, while Aragorn wanted to take Caradharas and he won the argument initially, but heavy snow made them change course.