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Invisible Hand Anakin vs Exar Kun
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AncientPower
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I'm not moving the goal posts, like at all, my point from the start is that even if it does refer to the Force. In fact, the entire section in my RT that you had a problem with was not me trying to definitively prove either way what the Wizards article states. I was trying to show readers that Ant's demand that we all take it as infallible word of God Canon stating Malak > Kun that everybody on the planet must agree with; due to tweets that he sent to Cory which you, ironically, ridiculed me for doing but not him.

Hilariously, me tweeting him in the first place was me mocking Ant for using Herndon tweets to establish an authorial precedence in the first place. Something you clearly didn't catch onto.

The big problem here is that I, from the beginning, prior to you ever having taken issue with my blog, have had the stance that the article is interpretable in many ways. I've also mockingly argued that the only way to interpret it is my way. Certainly not, by any means, a way to claim supremacy.

My entire shtick about the life-support system is me only showing that it gets even muddier the more you read into it. Oh and, if that section is referring to some multifaceted virtual immortality. That would actually be directly referring to what Malak was doing with those dead Jedi on the Star Forge which sources clarify was him using the Star Forge. It also isn't disqualified by Nadd at all, who's century long reign and subsequent puppet mastery for centuries more would easily be surpassed by Malak's Star Forge immortality powers. Needless to say it surpasses Kun needing a ritual for his ascension.

As far as the quote goes, this is a republished quote from 2008:

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Odan-Urr goes to the Force and the darkest power in the galaxy walks away with something that will make him even stronger.
- Tales of the Jedi Omnibus Vol.2


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One Big Mob
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Uh huh...

Anyway post the page this quote gets said if you will please, or even state what issue it happens in the original series.


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AncientPower
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Vitiate >> Revan >>> Malak >>> Kun > Vitiate >> Revan >>> Malak

Glad we've got that cohesive scaling.

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So you think them not specifically editing a panel's wording in a re-release makes it applicable to anything that came after the comic was released and before the re-release?
So you'd have no issue with people retroactively changing the date of Dark Empire to late 2010? No wait, Dark Empire was re-released under Marvel in 2015
https://mobilestore.marvel.com/Star...tal-comic/35960

Which means that all those statements apply to EVERYONE and EVERYTHING that has appeared up to and before then... according to you. Azronger hates this I imagine.

Not only that, but you think "Darkest power in the galaxy" is more definitive and applicable to the Star Forge than "Powers far greater than Exar Kun"?

Bro...


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AncientPower
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I think retroactive retcons aren't a thing, you might see the difference. erm


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I guess AP buys this then:

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
I guess AP buys this then:

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I don't even think AP knows what his point is tbh. By his logic every statement in DE applies too as it was "republished" twice (once by a different company even), and it applies to everything before then... apparently?

He just knows he doesn't like this. Let's see why it doesn't count together.


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Inb4 “it refers to political power” :/

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Maul > Vitiate

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I guess AP buys this then:

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I buy into that smile

What source is that?

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Freedon Nadd
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quote: (post)
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I don't even think AP knows what his point is tbh. By his logic every statement in DE applies too as it was "republished" twice (once by a different company even), and it applies to everything before then... apparently?

He just knows he doesn't like this. Let's see why it doesn't count together.


Still doesn't change the context when Dark Empire was written. You don't think some of those workers specifically analyzed everything in feats to confirm you that Palpatine's Dark Empire feats and accolades are "current"-to-date, right?


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Originally posted by The Ellimist
I guess AP buys this then:

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You're genuinely an imbecile. I don't buy into retroactive retconning unless there's significant evidence to the contrary. Literally, Leland Chee policy. You hounding me in every single thread on the planet is pretty humorous though. laughing out loud


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I don't even think AP knows what his point is tbh. By his logic every statement in DE applies too as it was "republished" twice (once by a different company even), and it applies to everything before then... apparently?

He just knows he doesn't like this. Let's see why it doesn't count together.


I lmow exactly what my point is, I explained it to you on this page. Your sour grapes aren't my concern.


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Still doesn't change the context when Dark Empire was written. You don't think some of those workers specifically analyzed everything in feats to confirm you that Palpatine's Dark Empire feats and accolades are "current"-to-date, right?
No fukking shit. It's exactly the same as Tales of The Jedi somehow applying to the Star Forge, even though it was created years afterwards.

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I lmow exactly what my point is, I explained it to you on this page. Your sour grapes aren't my concern.
Why would I have sour grapes? laughing out loud

Explain exactly how Dark Empire quotes don't apply but Tales of the Jedi quotes do.


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AncientPower
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Because Kun's quotes are backed up by other, much more recent quotes specific to his time declaring him GOAT. So it isn't even in doubt that he was the 'darkest power'/most powerful Sith ever as of his point in time.

Oh and until Ell actually reveals what source that is from, I'm not inclined to tale any stance.


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Because Kun's quotes are backed up by other, much more recent quotes specific to his time declaring him GOAT. So it isn't even in doubt that he was the 'darkest power'/most powerful Sith ever as of his point in time.

Oh and until Ell actually reveals what source that is from, I'm not inclined to tale any stance.
You specifically stated that a quote existed that said Kun > The Star Forge without as many loopholes as it stating "Malak far greater powers than Kun". However, that quote was written before the introduction of the Star Forge, said "Darkest Power in the Galaxy" only, and now it requires additional quotes to establish that Kun was stated to be above the Star Forge?

And I would enjoy to see the much more recent sources you have that establish Kun was THE GOAT.


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AP killed Kun. F

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Oh and until Ell actually reveals what source that is from, I'm not inclined to tale any stance.


Why does it matter?

Maybe the year it was published in -and I could tell you to be fair- but anyone with half a brain should be able to guess.


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