And it appears, a master of logic, and reading comprehension.
If you don't know why I brought up Matt, you couldn't have read very much Punisher.
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Frank took shots from bloodlusted Spider-Man, his speed impressed Wolverine, he's familiar with pressure point strikes that Beast is vulnerable to, he goes toe to toe with f*cking Daredevil - who raped Beast in one panel...
When we just compare the powersets (Frank - peak human, Beast - enhanced), it seems like Hank can win comfortably.
But he can't. His battle showings only look good if we focus on the fights with fodder.
I think Beast might actually take this one. I know Frank is skilled, but the primary way he's able to hang with really skilled fighters like DD is with his damage soak. Beast has super strength and speed/agility so he won't be able to take hit after hit the way he can with street level guys and he'll have some difficulty landing shots of his own. I see it kinda the way Rocky got his ass whupped by Clubber the first time around. Basically just a bad match up for Frank in regards to typical fighting styles when it comes to a forum fight.
I don't doubt that he's taken punches from stronger guys, that kind of thing happens all the time in comics. Hell I'm pretty sure Hank himself has taken shots from the Juggernaut and gotten back up afterwards... doesn't mean he can't be KO'd by someone weaker. Franks going h2h up against someone who's stronger, faster, with a healing factor here. I just think it's a bad matchup for him in a rock/paper/scissors kinda way.
But Frank excels at this stuff. It's his hidden superpower.
(it really is, check out his comics)
His "healing factor" (if we dare call it that) won't help him on the battlefield; it's shitty af. It just means he might survive getting assraped, in the hospital, long after the fight has ended. His original grey form is not discussed here.
Faster? What feats suggest that? Getting tagged by everyone from handicapped thugs to peak humans?
Beast did extremely well against both Wolverine (who complimented Beast speed) AND Sabertooth. He outright stomped Spiral who is leagues above Punisher and she also had weapons. A serious Beast would rape Punisher.
I know he's got a good chin, but it's not like it's impossible for people without super human strength to KO him either. Do you think it would be impossible for Captain America or even Daredevil to KO him? Because Beast is stronger than both of them.
I'm well aware than his healing factor isn't on par with guys like Wolverine, but that doesn't mean it's totally inconsequential in a fight.
Flash gets tagged all the time too, such is the nature of comics. Beast also dances around folks on occasion, and he does it using super/enhanced speed/agility. Something tells me that he's got better showings of superballing around opponents than Frank does, thus I believe he's got superior speed.
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The only time Beast did good was when he went feral and Wolverine was devolved to his kid state --- and guess how it went? A single stab made Beast flee and Logan regenerated with ease.
That's not my words. That's Wolverine's words and Beast didn't question them.
But has Hank proved he can do that? I'm being serious here. Has he? He always finds a new way to get dominated, if he doesn't bring his super-science toys.
That's exactly what it means.
Why?
Because it's not battlefield-effective. He'll heal nicely long after the fight has ended. That's it.
During the fight? It means shit. And if you want to get technical, it's only 1/2 or 1/3 of normal human's recovery rate. According to Hank's own words. So shitty af.
You can prove me wrong, of course.
Frank connects multiple times when fighting a guy with super-senses and an extra radar sense mimicking echolocation. Who also happens to be a crazy skilled ninja.
Beast's speed is mostly about harmlessly bouncing off superior opponents. Wouldn't be surprised if he bounced off such way against Frank's kevlar.
Depends on the fight there are fighst were he gets a lot of hits in.
Yea but he's not as skilled as DD and he isn't as hard to hit as DD. Yea I know DD doesn't actually have superhuman speed or agility but I would say that his radar sense and training make him harder to hit than Cap. When it comes to pure dodging he's almost as agile as Spiderman.
Frank has good showings against Deadpool and Alyosha Kravinoff who has superhuman speed and strength and martial art training. I would say Alyosha Kravinoff looks more dangerous than Beast and has beaten Black Panther in h2h.
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He's knocked around a Ghost Rider(though GR was being controlled by the brood), thrown cars, done "ground pounds", and unless I'm remembering what I heard wrong was effective against Danger, so something tells me that it's totally possible for him to KO Frank. And you've got to remember, Beast actually seems to PREFER to throw kicks instead of punches, and kicks are obviously stronger so Frank would be taking shots that did more damage than he would against someone else in Beast's class who's primarily a puncher.
It was 3x humans during his "ape' phase, honestly not sure how much that got enhanced when he got upgraded. And even if we were to assume that it's only 3x, it would still make a difference in a drawn out fight because it would mean that minor hits wouldn't stack up on him the way they do would Frank. Any edge, is an edge.
Spiderman is notorious for having difficulty issues with damn near anyone who knows any kinds of MA, and unless I'm mistaken Frank's normally keeping him off balance with guns and such(which he doesn't have here). And I'm having a hard time remembering their fights, but when it actually comes down to h2h Daredevil forgoes his ultra evasive fighting style where he's constantly bouncing around and instead fights him like they're standing toe to toe in an octagon. And even then, I believe Matt lands a fair amount more hits which is why people say that Frank hangs in mostly because of his crazy damage soak. Beast on the other hand, almost always jumps around even 1 on 1 against regular humans. And if he's landing a fair amount more hits it's going to add up quicker than it does for Matt because Beast is stronger.
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