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Problem I have with Anakin=Sidious/Yoda
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Huh what? You're sounding very salty over this.

I don't know where you're seeing salt? Maybe you're deficient?

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I don't see the contradiction. Dooku was superior to Anakin in TCW movie, just slightly superior in Crisis on Naboo, and even steven by Dark Disciple. Anakin was clearly superior by ROTS.


How was Dooku slightly superior in 'Crisis on Naboo' when he got his fudge packed? Did you watch the same show as me? Unless you think there were circumstances to this?

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If this was a true demonstration, and he apparently wasn't going for the kill, then why was he not superior on all other occasions?

You are digging a hole for yourself on this one.

He was superior on all other occasions, barring one. Of course there's varying degrees of 'Dooku not killing Anakin.' Just because he's taking it up a notch each time, doesn't mean Dooku's going for the kill or going all-out. My argument wasn't that he remained at the exact same TCW Movie-level for every single fight against Skywalker... This doesn't contradict my claims. This doesn't address why Dooku doesn't just kill Anakin immediately after torturing him with Lightning and be done with it? He has Anakin dead to rights at least three times in the TV Show.

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Nope we already been through this. The guy who directed these "inconsistent" fights does not believe in this "No Killing" order, and I have already stated above how Anakin's performances were improving each time, with the possible exception of the S6 one. But what would be more unrealistic is if Dooku doesn't have a peak performance at times, or Anakin a lower performance.


Of course he'd be improving, but not dramatically. The outlier here isn't in Season 6, it's Season 4. So the Creators just think Anakin's having a bad day when he doesn't hammer Dooku?

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Look at the unfinished S6/S7 animatronics where Grievous stomps Kenobi in like 2 moves Lol

With his new and improved suit? That's a pretty immediate change, not some increase in power through combat and training. This is clearly a completely different situation...

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Yoda clearly held back on his old padawan.

This is just retarded, lmao. What Quan said, and what I've said to plebs on CV repeatedly.

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I have to say this is no more than butthurt on behalf of you and Freedon.

There's no butthurt.

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There is no proof whatsoever that Dooku was ordered to hold back on Anakin throughout the entirety of TCW. In fact the Directors commentary states he believes the opposite.

Refer to above posts.

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1. Ok, so him trying to kill Kenobi or Anakin shows his true intentions so it makes no sense to hold back after seeing the new Sith Lord.

2. Same with Kenobi and Vader. He left Vader for dead. Jedi do not let their emotions cloud their judgment. Do you even Star Wars?

3. Dooku was subservient to him so an entirely different scenario since he is his subordinate not Yodas. He is Yodas enemy so why would yoda not do so if he could so casually? Try to make sense and to quit needlessly speculating.

4. Due to having to defend his Jedi friends. He does combat dooku but does not defeat him before he flees.

5. We see him swing his light saber at him and you yourself believe yoda can effortlessly overpower him with the force so why woyld he not? He can spare his life and defeat him so why not do so if he so easily could? You make no sense on every fundamental level and the enjoyable thing for me is you do not see it. Your emotions are not facts but you will continue to back your conjecture with more conjecture.


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It would be better if you just quoted members.


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1. He did not even know for sure if Dooku had turned to the dark side prior to the fight. As made clear by the dialogue.

And when he arrived and said "The dark side I sense in you." Did he not know that Dooku was a Sith then? So I guess the statement about Yoda wanting to capture Dooku was made before he found out the Count was really a Sith. This doesn't help your argument.

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2. TCW S6 makes clear the strong bond between Yoda and Dooku and how it was an emotional trauma for him that Dooku turned to the dark side.

Of course it would, but to say this emotion in the middle of a fight would be as strong as it was sitting and pondering on it for a long time is pretty silly. His love for Dooku is actually something that makes Yoda want to 'destroy' him in Dark Rendezvous, so any feelings he had wouldn't be a hinderance. The opposite actually.

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3. Sidious choked Dooku from another planet. Yoda and Sidious are peers in the Force so clearly Yoda could do the same thing. Leading onto:

Without Dooku expecting it, in a show where passive force barriers aren't a thing. If Yoda could've done that he would've just ripped away the Count's weapon. Why didn't he?

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4. He never actually attacked Dooku during the Force battle. Aside from redirecting one attack.

This would've been a good way to take Dooku out. Either K.O him or strip away his lightsaber. You don't think Yoda would have done that if he could? Have you ever thought that this might be because he couldn't?

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5. The AOTC Novel has Yoda state - Capture Dooku we must. And apparently from the above arguments, if you do not try to kill then that means you are Massively holding back.

For someone of Yoda's height, injuring someone would actually be easier than killing them, lmao. Yoda could slash Dooku's legs off and be done with it, easier than he could slice off his head. He can capture Dooku by disarming him first, removing limbs etc. Yoda was also stated to be exhausted after the fight.

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Bonus point- By that logic he should have let Anakin and Obi-Wan die to stop the war.

What.

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RR harms Dooku in the same way that ILS harms Maul and AP harms Exar Kun sad

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RR harms Dooku in the same way that AP harms Exar Kun sad


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Anakin quite clearly isn't as consistently dangerous of a combatant as Yoda or Palpatine.


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Similar case with Mace saying only Obi wan could defeat Grievous. Obi wan is just that good to pull a win against a superior opponent. Also maybe their friendship could help but that's speculation.


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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Anakin quite clearly isn't as consistently dangerous of a combatant as Yoda or Palpatine.


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Simply because Obi-Wan isnít strong enough to fight Sidious. Yoda even says this.


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Simply because Obi-Wan isnít strong enough to fight Sidious. Yoda even says this.

Yeah but that implies that he's strong enough to fight Anakin

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Maybe he was Yoda's only option to stop Anakin.


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Probably similar to the Caedus/Luke situation.


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Yeah but that implies that he's strong enough to fight Anakin


Kenobi had a better chance of takin Anakin due to his experience with him. While Iím aware that had Anakin not been hindered that he wouldíve won, I can see where Yoda was coming from.


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Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
It would be better if you just quoted members.
I never learned how. Maybe next year I will learn the intricacies. Wait did I just quote you? Hmmm, wonder how that happened.


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RR harms Dooku in the same way that ILS harms Maul and AP harms Exar Kun sad

Saying Dooku is not in ragdoll territory for Yoda, something that's obviously true, is harming him? You're dumb thumb up

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and another major thing that people are forgetting; Anakin WAS winning that fight, only reason he ended up the loser was because he tried to take Obi on the high ground so theres no big mystery or inconsistency here; Ani just f u c k e d up

Sidious = Yoda > Anakin >> Obi Wan

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and another major thing that people are forgetting; Anakin WAS winning that fight, only reason he ended up the loser was because he tried to take Obi on the high ground so theres no big mystery or inconsistency here; Ani just f u c k e d up

Sidious = Yoda > Anakin >> Obi Wan
Anakin was not winning it was a stalemate. Anakin lost. Let that sink in. He made a laughable mistake Kenobi begged him prior to not make. Vader was so emotionally stupid he went for it. Good for Kenobi.


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Kenobi had a better chance of takin Anakin due to his experience with him. While Iím aware that had Anakin not been hindered that he wouldíve won, I can see where Yoda was coming from.
Why are you people acting like Yoda just said that Kenobi would fare better against Anakin and then left the reasons ambigious?


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