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Problem I have with Anakin=Sidious/Yoda
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CuckedCurry

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Originally posted by RealistRacism
Saying Dooku is not in ragdoll territory for Yoda, something that's obviously true, is harming him? You're dumb thumb up


You harm Dooku and you know it my child :sadface:

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Originally posted by Sinious
Why are you people acting like Yoda just said that Kenobi would fare better against Anakin and then left the reasons ambigious?

That Obi-Wan was not powerful enough to defeat Palpatine is what Yoda said, and that's undisputed, Sin. The point is that he shouldn't have been powerful enough to defeat Anakin, either--a well documented fact--but he managed because of the relationship he had with him, and because Anakin wasn't a legitimate master yet. By that I mean that, while his abilities were comparable to Palpatine's physically speaking, he was still emotionally undisciplined, which is what ultimately lost him the fight.


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Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin was not winning it was a stalemate. Anakin lost. Let that sink in. He made a laughable mistake Kenobi begged him prior to not make. Vader was so emotionally stupid he went for it. Good for Kenobi.


nah. look at obi wans face, he was at the end of his rope and didn't know which way to jump, his move to the high ground was a last ditch effort just to put some space between he and anakin; until anakin made that stupid jump he had obi against the wall so to speak

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Originally posted by relentless1
nah. look at obi wans face, he was at the end of his rope and didn't know which way to jump, his move to the high ground was a last ditch effort just to put some space between he and anakin; until anakin made that stupid jump he had obi against the wall so to speak
Your conjecture is not proof just your opinion. They fought for what seemed like forever in terms of film duels. Anakin did nothing to even significantly wound Kenobi in all that time. Kenobi used his awareness to grab the higher ground and won over a more powerful and more skilled opponent. Good on you Kenobi. Vader tried and laughable failed into a rage scream while he burned.


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Originally posted by quanchi112
I never learned how. Maybe next year I will learn the intricacies. Wait did I just quote you? Hmmm, wonder how that happened.


I wrote this because people may not know who are you writing to. That's why you have the QUOTE method. I didn't want to say you are a fool.


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Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
I wrote this because people may not know who are you writing to. That's why you have the QUOTE method. I didn't want to say you are a fool.
D. Thor knows it is to him. He has yet to respond to me most likely hiding under his covers in hopes this will just go away.


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RealistRacism, you, and me.
Darth Thor finds himself in a very dangerous position.


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RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."

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The duo are consistently as powerful as peak Anakin and would undermine his combative efforts, Stover's metaphors and Gillard's interjections aside.

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RealistRacism, you, and me.
Darth Thor finds himself in a very dangerous position.

Huh?

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Huh?


We all three are arguing with him and make more or less the same points.

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RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."

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Originally posted by NewGuy01
That Obi-Wan was not powerful enough to defeat Palpatine is what Yoda said, and that's undisputed, Sin. The point is that he shouldn't have been powerful enough to defeat Anakin, either--a well documented fact--but he managed because of the relationship he had with him, and because Anakin wasn't a legitimate master yet. By that I mean that, while his abilities were comparable to Palpatine's physically speaking, he was still emotionally undisciplined, which is what ultimately lost him the fight.
I understand that those are the reasons why Anakin lost to Kenobi. However, I have a problem with people suggesting that Yoda was referring to those specific factors that ended up helping Kenobi, where it seems clear to me that Yoda was referring to a disparity between Palpatine and Anakin in power. They could both be superior to Kenobi but Palpatine more so.

The idea of Yoda mentioning combat power to differentiate Anakin and Palpatine where the thing(s) that separates Anakin and Sidious is anything but power seems bizarre to me. This is of course me assuming Yoda never mentions that Anakin would likely be messed up at that point and his combative power would be hindered by this. But honestly, even if Yoda did show awareness about Anakin’s situation, one could argue that the fact that yoda still chose to mention power instead of those things would suggest that the disparity between Palpatine and Kenobi is indeed bigger than the disparity between Anakin and Kenobi.


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Obviously

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kf vader is > rots palpatine definitely

but kf vader also dies to rots palpatine in 1v1

kf vader is also more intelligent than palpatine but palpatine still manipulates him like a cuck

just accept that star wars is complicated

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That happens when you let Lucas to direct Star Wars.


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RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."

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Originally posted by gold slorg
kf vader is also more intelligent than palpatine


Is that so? Because of his mechanical skills? Anakin is clearly very intelligent whenever emotions and people aren't involved, but whether he's smarter than Palpatine is debatable.


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Will reply to everyone later. Dont have time right now...

Except maybe Quan Depending on if he made any points worth addressing.

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Originally posted by Sinious
I understand that those are the reasons why Anakin lost to Kenobi. However, I have a problem with people suggesting that Yoda was referring to those specific factors that ended up helping Kenobi, where it seems clear to me that Yoda was referring to a disparity between Palpatine and Anakin in power. They could both be superior to Kenobi but Palpatine more so.

The idea of Yoda mentioning combat power to differentiate Anakin and Palpatine where the thing(s) that separates Anakin and Sidious is anything but power seems bizarre to me. This is of course me assuming Yoda never mentions that Anakin would likely be messed up at that point and his combative power would be hindered by this. But honestly, even if Yoda did show awareness about Anakin’s situation, one could argue that the fact that yoda still chose to mention power instead of those things would suggest that the disparity between Palpatine and Kenobi is indeed bigger than the disparity between Anakin and Kenobi.


It's not difficult to reconcile at all. Gillard himself (hallowed by His name) explains that Anakin lost to Obi Wan despite being the most powerful Jedi ever. Yoda could be saying the same thing as: "you aren't smart enough to get into Harvard. But your dad is an MIT legacy, so you might have a chance there", except he isn't going to carefully elaborate on the obvious in that situation just to have perfect semantical clarity.

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Nice post. I think I'll formally accept you as my shadow. laughing


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Terrible post, actually.


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Nice post. I think I'll formally accept you as my shadow. laughing


thank you


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