Who said you have to be inherently evil in order to kill someone who is trying to kill you. What planet are you from? Yoda killed clones were who just doing their duty in rots. Think your silly excuses through because your positions make no sense realistically or within character in the films for yoda.
No, it did not. He had enough info when the guy tried killing both himself and his fellow Jedi. You act like yoda is some overly emotional pansy. Just 🛑. Your responses reek of a fundamental inability to comprehend the characters and basic self preservation that does not require knowing the guy who is trying to kill yous life story.
So that only furthers my point. Yoda is well within his right to defend himself. Dookus actions make Yodas response easy. You could have a total stranger show up and draw on yoda and he would defend himself.
Sidious also attacked yoda first that does not mean yoda was not there to kill him. Your points are not proof of anything just more conjecture you mistakenly think prove something.
Someone tries to kill you you will defend yourself and kill them in self defense. Dookus actions make his intent pretty clear. No amount of your own buffoonery makes other posters suddenly catch your retard virus.
That is an example of a Jedi defending the safety of someone other than himself despite not wanting to engage his father.
Your own exampleblew up in your face. Yoda alsonever trued fleeing from combat like Luke so why bring it up? Think.
None of that matters since both Dooku and Vader tried to kill yoda and Kenobi. Both will defend themselves and kill their opponents if they must. They will not relish in it but they do what must be done. You never focus on the pertinent info.
To the republic and his fellow Jedi. He has no obligation to a former padawan who is trying to kill him. What the hell are you even talking about? Kenobi cleaved limbs off his firmer apprentice because he went rogue and tried to kill him what makes you think yoda does not have the stomach for that? What the hell are you watching?
Both dooku and Sidious attacked first. Yoda makes his intentions clear by donning his lightsaber in both situations. You think he is playing paddy cake with dooku is your own silly retard logic. When he dons both he means business. Both tried to kill him.
Sidious left his defenses down in arrogance dooku was much more wary. Seriously what are you thinking? Your inability to understand why what is happening is occurring is fascinating.
So you think yoda donned his saber to bide time against dooku.
His intentions were clear. Dooku escaled due to yoda having to save his pals nothing more. Your points make zero sense and often end up doing further damage to your position.
Nah. Since we see yoda was his equal in the force. Dooku was vulnerable and not expecting it hence why he fell victim. The sane reasoning why Sidious was hit by a force push and dooku was not. Sidious was arrogant and left himself wide open for a force push from yoda whereas Dooku was on his guard against him.
You do not grasp Star Wars abd the hilarious thing is these are kids films an adult man cannot process.
Ok tell you what. Lets both post pics of ourselves on the movie vs. and we can let others judge who is fat and out of shape and who is not. I am not joking. Lets see but I predict you will want no part of posting your out of shape ass against me in my Thanos t shirt.
Oh geez, the Clone Troopers betrayed them and were executing all Jedi.
Sidious attacked first, AFTER Yoda took out his guards first! They both knew Yoda was there to kill him. And still you can see the difference he attacks Sidious straight back and pulls his Lightsaber out on him first. Against Dooku he never attacks him with the Force and only pulls his Lightsaber out after Dooku does, and still gives him a chance to surrender.
Its clear as day Yoda was there only to defend against Dooku, and capture him. Not to kill him. Yoda going all out is what we see against Sidious. The difference is as clear as night and day.
Of course he feels an obligation to not straight out murder his former Padawan you moron. Obi-Wan didnt want to kill Anakin and even begged him not to make the jump once Obi-Wan gained the tactical advantage. And thats when THEY KNEW Anakin was a Sith Lord and apprenticed to Darth Sidious and Killed Younglings, and aided in the extermination of the entire Jedi Order.
Dooku hadnt gone anywhere near that far at that point. The situation had to be analysed how an Older Master could have turned to the dark side and if his intentions were purely politically motivated or Sith/dark side motivated.
Dooku betrayed them and ordered the killing all the Jedi in the prior scene. Oh the hypocrisy should be causing you to be sick right now.
The guards aimed their weapons at yoda he reacted secondly. Should he let them attack? Were they inherently evil? Was he sure or by your logic was he eaten up by the guilt over attacking prior to knowing their life stories.
It is like talking to a child. Nothing ever gets through. I said the reason he used the force on Sidious is that he left himself wide open cackling like a school girl. Dooku never stood there like a dope or left himself vulnerable to such an attack despite being weaker and less skilled than Sidious.
So when he uses the lightsaber your case goes away since Dooku refuses to surrender. He dons both to hurt/defeat/kill his opponent on both instances. They do not massage the body they cut through it like a knife through butter.
Your own reasoning against the clone troopers applies to dooku. Betrayed the Jedi and killed Jedi. He tries to kill them right in front of yoda yet you argue he would not kill his enemy despite his own life threatened, his friends right in front of him, and the safety and well being of the republic. You have no idea who yoda is apparently.
Yoda failed in both instances but donning the light saber means he meant to hurt/defeat/kill both of his opponents. They were both his enemies.
So despite being betrayed, Jedi dying at his behest, attacking and threatening his own life you think it is cold blooded murder when it is self defense. This is pretty pathetic. He forgoes all his obligations including his own life in favor of the emotions of him being his former padawan.
Slap yourself in the face twice for good measure.
Kenobi did what must be done and he is far more emotional than yoda. Somehow you believe yoda is so emotionally weak he just refused to do what must be done. Seriously you watched these kid films all your life and still do not understand them. I am disgusted.
Vader ended up a burnt husk left for dead. Kenobi succeeded whereas yoda failed due to protecting his friends while dooku fled. Yoda does not ignite his lightsaber to give haircuts. He meant business. He swung on dooku multiple times, rewatch the scenes since you missed that part.
Yoda:Powerful you have become Dooku, the dark side I sense in you.
Count Dooku : I have become more powerful than any Jedi. Even you.
[Dooku shoots Sith lighting at Yoda who effortlessly deflects it away]
Yoda : Much to learn, you still have.
He already senses the dark side in him. He says it. Rewatch the film your explanations are illogical, hypocritical, and are not supported in anything outside your inferior brain.
So unless you try killing the entire Jedi order yoda will need more intel before acting if it is anyone he is familiar with. Oh, d. Thor. It is getting even more ridiculous because you abandon your own logic when it applies to Dooku.
Yoda killed those he had to just as he would do what was necessary. Dooku tried to kill him ffs. Same as the clones. You could have a relative who loved you come at yoybwith a knife without any prior beefs and still kill them in self defense. What you are saying is so beyond common sense it should fill you with shame.
So the Jedi will do what is necessary just as I have always maintained by going to his turf and in defending other Jedi enter yoda. Yoda knew dooku was the enemy and dookus murderous intent was turned to yoda right in front of his eyes.
So yoda already knew he was an enemy and found out just how far dooku was willing to go and even sensed the dark side in him. What more does yoda need to act? He tried killing yoda the debate should end there but you press on with your stupityu which is alluded to nowhere in the film. The actions of all parties in the very scene disproves your nonsensical claims.
So him trying to kill yoda means yoda holds back? Seriously, do you think yoda has no self preservation instincts? What do you think? You seem to be so entirely ignorant about yoda I would be embarrassed if I were you. He figures out dooku is filled with the dark side and tries to kill both himself and his allies. What else does he need to know? If his favorite color is now black?
Your position is ridiculous and you know it. You have not proven anything. Your entire point is your own head canon that reasonable people would laugh you out of the building. Star Wars is too complex for you apparently.
No, it is not. Quit repeating your feelings in here. Rian Johnson went off in crazy new directions but of course you think it was another carbon copy. Your points are so utterly ridiculous it is becoming a nuisance to tear them to shreds.
The Star Wars base hated the prequels. Ask Lucas how easy it is to keep these man babies happy. I enjoyed rots like crazy but the majority of the base really mock the prequels so I care not for the opinions of others. I just need them to make money to continue the train. TLJ is my favorite Star Wars film and I got my favorite character in Snoke with my bronze medalist as Kylo.
If you think TLJ ended the same way as esb you need your head examined.
The MCU is the greatest prize in all the land. Marvel comics was how Star Wars was for most of you. I grew up a diehard Thanos guy. It is recently with the purchase of the MCU mostly. I became more of a Star Wars fan due to Disney, the new trilogy, and they gave me Snoke and my third fave, Kylo.
I also believe the GoT producers will give us old republic stuff and cannot wait for what is coming down the Disney pipeline.
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Oh quit the nonsense. The ST has gone back to the OT setting of planet destroying WMDs, an Empire/Rebellion setting, with no Jedi around (same history of them being exterminated by a Jedi traitor seduced by a more powerful darksider in charge of the FO/Empire).
Its the exact same setting which made no sense in TFA when there was already a New Republic.
The natural progression should have been a Jedi Academy setting, and that incidentally is something thats not been done before.
Jar Jar Abrams himself admits they went back to the OT. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE Delusional about it.
So Im not talking about Haters, im talking about facts. You can love this crap if you want but then dont make us laugh saying its > OT when its just a pale imitation of the OT.
TLJ went back to the Yoda teaching Luke on a hidden planet story/setting, then took the Emperors throne scene from ROTJ, and ended like ESB with the Rebellion (heck they even call it Rebellion now), on the run from the FO/Empire.
Literally the same except the twist of Kylo overthrowing Snoke/The Emperor.
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Of course he did. He needs an apprentice to overthrow his master. It is similar to what Palpatine tried to do(and succeeded) with Anakin: he sought a reason to make Kenobi join him.
Of course he did. He was emotionally still affected by what happened.
And in the end he saw that all of his reasoning with Anakin was in vain, and decided to do the right thing.
You are clearly misinterpreting my arguments. I never said he was not emotionally attached to Anakin or affected by what happened to him.
I stated he was obviously determined to destroy his lost apprentice if there was no coming back for him.
I do not see how this is relevant to what I have written. There is a difference between Dooku and Anakin. Dooku was already a Darksider by the time of Attack Of The Clones meanwhile for Anakin was his first day. Even then, Yoda stated that his apprentice long gone is, consumed by Darth Vader was.
What escape point are you talking about? He could have easily just stab Yoda in the back or Force-push him in a wall and kill all three of them, then flee. But, for some reason, he did not.
The entirety series of The Clone Wars and the movies/movies books show that. Whenever Anakin fought Dooku, he never attempted to kill him. At best he put him down like a dog and humiliate him to make him cross over the Dark Side, like he did in The Clone Wars in that episode when Anakin pinned him down and Dooku blasted him with Force lightning and left.
Our arguments are not consistent? You wrote me that Dooku ordered their execution in Attack Of The Clones from the beginning(which includes Anakin). Then you used the argument I have given you that Dooku gave them a chance to surrender to use this as argument against the KMC user quan that Dooku was not a Sith. And our arguments are not consistent?
I wonder if you know anything regarding Darth Sidious' character?
For starters, one of Sidious' extraordinary Force abilities is to foresee future events with precious clarity. Of course he would not interfere knowing that in the outcome of the Geonosis Arena, Anakin does not lose his life.
This would further increase Anakin's thirst for vengeance against Count Dooku, enough to kill him and turn to the Dark Side.
Or maybe you do not understand the nature of these stories.
You ask me what was the point? Dooku is the embodiment of the evil that has plagued the Republic. Of course Sidious would, all the time, put Dooku against Anakin. It is the old tale where the Knight slays the dragon, and in return the Knight is tainted by the dragon's blood.
If it truly is unmatched potential in The Force...
Second, had it been for his power, then Palpatine would have obviously come with a plan to get his hands on Anakin and maintain him under his influence. But for some reason, he did not. He let him become part of the Jedi Order.
Another ludicrous point. Darth Sidious had broken the Rule of Two alongside his Sith Master. He had no intention in being replaced by anyone. All he wanted was to have a fully-darksided Anakin under his influence and use him as instrument of his will to maintain an oppressive regime throughout the galaxy.
But he never did that. The moment Maul was sliced in half by Obi-Wan, Sidious took another apprentice because Maul has fulfilled his role as Jedi decoy.
But we not debating movies, are we? We are debating Extended Universe. And when suddenly your point is moot, you call them inconsistencies.
Yes, in order to aliment Anakin's hatred towards the representative of the Separatists/Sith. Palpatine is a seer, he had already foreseen what happened. That is why he never gave Dooku an order to "spare" them.
You claim that Sidious was interested about Anakin's massive Force potential, yet he does not interfer when Dooku wants to kill them at the Geonosis Arena. How does that even work?
Your two statements are contradictory in nature. If Palpatine really wanted Anakin for his massive Force potential, then he would have never allowed Dooku to kill him at the Geonosis Arena. After all Palpatine knew that Anakin is the Chosen One by the time of Attack Of The Clones. Of course if we choose the route of Palpatine's ability of foreseeing the outcome in the Geonosis Arena, then that is something else.
If Palpatine really wanted that, then he would have never warned Anakin about what was going to happen.
Good to know that you have reminded to watch that episode. Because:
1. Anakin was not in that solar system when Dooku fired in the Republican ships
2. When Anakin and his crew is about to escape, Grievous uses the ion canon to try and disable their ship instead of firing in them with deadly projectiles.
3. Dooku is not even angered by Grievous' failure. He shows no sign of anger towards the cyborg Kaleesh. Instead, he tells Grievous that he has to go and say this to his master.
Do not twist my arguments. Destroying droids does not equal fighting Force-sensitive individuals.
Anakin's war experience with droids and pirates does not prove at the slightest that Dooku had not hold back in their duels.
If you compare a droid battle with a Force-sensitive warrior like Dooku, then something is clearly wrong with your perception of Star Wars characters.
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Quit repeating yourself. You ignored my post which broke your points down one at a time.
No, and I explained the differences already. You repeating your same old nonsense is not going to make my rebuttal disappear.
I said they had similarities you just rage over it. It has far too many differences which tend to go off into undiscovered territory in TLJ. Just stop.
Again you want to ignore the vast differences in rose, poes defiance, Finns progression, Kylo not turning good and assuming control of the FO, and facing Luke. Yoda never faced Vader. Huge differences. Luke died initiating hope across the galaxy and was inspired by yoda. None of that happened in esb. Rey never even faced Kylo in the film but Luke and Vader squared off. Another huge difference. This is like taking candy from a baby.
Look I get it you hate these films but to try to paint them as replicas is offensive to anyone with a functional brain. Push your anti trilogy elsewhere. You stopped being a Star Wars fan after Disney purchased them.