I'm not expecting anything. I'm use to these quiet concessions when discussing Caedus. So there's no pointing in switching to discord on that token.
Also I got the names of the Jedi assisting Kyle wrong:
Valin Horn
Thann Mithric
Kolir Hu'lya
All featless. Probably the worst strike team ever sent to fight the reigning Sith lord of the time. And you're trying to say that Kyle is only better than one of them, and not the whole bunch. Lol
That's means Kyle takes a hit to his reputation - and therefore Caedus does too.
Caedus was clearly not at full power in his fight with Katarn:
Caedus may draw on pain, but the net effect of his injuries from the Luke duel still seem to be negative, even if not as negative as someone without his pain thing would have.
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I mean, it's been made abundantly clear that his injuries were hindering him(the same way they hindered him when he fought Mara and Jaina). His strength was noted as slipping because of the pain.
Also worth noting that Caedus had no intention of truly killing Katarn. He wanted him specifically alive so he can torture him and get info on where Luke was. So that's also something to consider.
Nothing is clear in abundance how Jacen's mostly healed injuries are affecting him. Not during the majority of the fight - where Katarn's team are matching him in sabers and whatnot. The is only one time where the injury is admonished. When Jacen gets hit with a blaster bolt :
Of course, there is a noticeable dip in his performance and composure when his previous injuries are mentioned. He's gone from being largely above the three Jedi knights in question to struggling against a single one while concentrating for sporadic blaster bolts. So his injuries are only used as an excuse when things are going terribly sour for him.
Now obviously Caedus' injuries are being clutched like pearls. There's a vested interest in upholding his reputation from obvious culprits - those who've juxtaposed him to Yoda in the saber department once upon-a-time. Myth lord, Ellimist and DC77. Yet they haven't proved that they're a big deal, or that he'd be performing much better without them.
So if a lack of constant focus on his injuries indicate a lack of relevance, even though they’re explicitly noted as a factor (which you claim just magically comes in the middle), does that mean Starkiller’s exhaustion wasn’t a factor against Vader either?
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The fact that his injuries are only used as an excuse when things are going (rather horrendously) south for him indicates a lack of relevance to the rest of the fight yes. The noticeable dip in his performance at this point is evidence of that :
- He can match Katarn and his team in sabers at the beginning of the fight
- He's admonishes his injuries while struggling to parry one of the Jedi Knights on the team
There's nothing magic about their mention. He's admonishes them after he's been hit with a blaster bolt. And while his concentration is being divided by other sporadic blasters bolts that could hit him. That's when the injuries are mentioned.
No, it would be like mentioning Starkiller's brief moment of rage amp during the Vader fight. And applying said temporary state to the rest of the fight. His exhaustion however is something that obviously affected him during the majority of the battle.
And of course, one can not amp themselves from exhaustion. Caedus' can amp himself from some mostly healed injuries.
Or the narrator doesn't have to immediately mention every piece of information right away. The fight with Luke happened long before the fight started.
And again, by the same logic we shouldn't factor the fatigue in at all in TFU II because it's not used as an excuse at any point in the fight.
Or he is dealing with said injury, a blaster bolt injury, multiple distractions and an explicitly enraged Jedi onslaught, and doesn't have to mention it at the start of the fight. But the first factor would've existed from the start. It may have compounded with other factors, but it's mentioned as its own independent hindrance.
His injuries from Luke didn't appear in the middle of the fight though...
Except he clearly notes it as its own hindrance, not as an amp and not as only a problem in conjunction with other things.
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He doesn't have to. But considering broader context :
- The time elapsed between books
- The Medical technology that exponentially accelerates healing (bacta fluids)
- That his injuries from Luke aren't out of their medical scope
- Force powers that also heal
- The fact he can amp himself of injuries
Is a valid reason to mostly ignore them as some worthy hinderance to his fight, until other factors that compede on top of them. Which you've mentioned below :
His ability to deal with said injury, which includes amping himself from it, is being hindered by other factors which logically affect how well he can draw from the force. This is a valid explanation as to why their mention is omitted until things go really badly for him.
Or he didn't bother to mention it at the start of the fight because he was winning. If other factors were the main culprit, then he could've just focused on said other factors, and if he needs to concentrate on dealing with his injuries through the Force, then that clearly suggests that he is being hindered in having to devote energies to doing so.
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Or he didn't bother to mention it at the start of the fight because they weren't worth being mentioned. Considering the bullet pointed contextual tid bits above.
The unfortunate problem here is that the Nature of the dark side means that using that power to amp himself with his injuries results in a net positive for himself. This is true for other weaker sith Lords, but especially true for himself - he's a master of the art. His injuries are admonished when other factors (an unexpected blaster bolt and wavered concentration) prevent him from drawing on his powers properly. And we see a massive dip in his performance because of it. Which explains why they are noted at that particular point.
Just as you say their relevance being omitted from the start of the fight doesn't contradict the notion that they're hindering him. I can easily say that the idea he's being amped - until other events transpire - isn't contradicted either. And my premise is supported by additional context.
The other issue of course, is that the mostly healed injuries he had already received could have easily gotten worse as the fight progressed. Imagine having a sprained angle that's mostly healed, but running on it intensely could cause tears and build up of lactic acid which makes said injury feel worse at the tail end of the race as oppose to the beginning - where Katarn's team were matching him in sabers. That including the bolt he unexpectedly took and his wavered concentration, do explain why his injuries are only mentioned then.
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