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Is Thrawn evil in canon?
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Darth Thor
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Was an example of a war crime.

But I get it. Everyone freaks out over the R word. Which is why I used it thumb up

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Key part underlined.

Of course massive loads of atrocities happen in war times. But point is we still accept them as atrocities, and have a code of conduct we support even during war times.

For example its well known during war times there are many cases of rape, even from the so called civilised sides. But we still accept that as an awful crime.


The thing is, there are plenty of things things people would consider "evil" if it were to happen in normal everyday life that is accepted during wartime. And again, evil is dependent on your definition of the word.

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Thrawn wasn't even a rapist, afaik. Poor analogy all around. thumb down
But Trench was. blink


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Was an example of a war crime.

But I get it. Everyone freaks out over the R word. Which is why I used it thumb up
Again, it's all about perspective.

Thrawn did not maliciously kill that worker for the lulz. The worker was killed because he was producing faulty equipment that was malfunctioning on the field of battle and subsequently killing Imperial troops. His death served as an 'inspiration' to the rest of the workers to start doing their jobs properly, and was responsible for drastically improving the overall production quality of that factory. This, in turn, actually saved an untold number of Imperial soldiers from dying by way of their own poorly constructed equipment.

Moreover, had that worker been doing his job adequately from the get-go, he would've had nothing to fear as the speeder wouldn't have exploded in the first place.


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^ You know firing him probably could have worked too right?

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Simply firing the worker wouldn't have motivated the other workers nearly as much, if at all. The problem with poor craftsmanship(and malfunctioning equipment) would have persisted, and Imperial troops would have continued dying as a corollary.

Perspective.


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I understand what you're saying and it makes sense. But you'd think they would have started with a lesser punishment then death right off the bat, lol.


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Oh I'm sure local Imperial management tried several other alternatives beforehand, but none of those directives/punishments worked on a broad enough scale to permanently fix the issue.

You can't tell me that having the third highest ranking being in the entire Empire directly intervene was a first resort. If something as simple as a quality control issue at a single factory on a single world warranted Thrawn's direct attention, it means the problem had likely persisted for a considerable amount of time without being resolved... So when Thrawn finally intervened, he handled it in the most efficient(and permanent) way possible.


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Simply firing the worker wouldn't have motivated the other workers nearly as much, if at all.



It probably would actually. Even Imperials need to pay the bills. They could easily be blacklisted on top so they cant find alternative jobs.

Also im getting worried you truly believe in your argument.

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If they would have fired every worker that was producing shoddy equipment at that factory, they would've also lost a good portion of their staff, and therefore would not have been able to produce an adequate quantity of vehicles to reach their quota. This is counterproductive.

One worker's death(at the hands of his own poorly constructed vehicle, mind you) not only resolved the production quality issue of that factory by making an irrefutable statement to the rest of the workers, but also saved the lives of untold numbers of Imperial troops who had to rely on said equipment in the field. Prior to this, Imperial troops were dying and battles were being lost solely because of the subpar vehicles that factory was producing.


It was a direct and efficient resolution. Sacrifice one to save hundreds/thousands.


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Galan seems to outsmart all of you. erm


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Not only that but the workers seemed to have been conscripted into the job or only taken the job in order to sabotage the equipment from what I remember of the episode.

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One of the reasons for Thrawn's visit is because he suspected purposeful sabotage from the workers, and wanted to investigate the factory personally.


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Hmm I suppose if they werent saboteurs theyd have nothing to worry about with Thrawns random selection.

And knowing the Empire theyd be executed if found guilty of that crime anyway.

Will have to find something more evil to prove Thrawns evilness

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