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When did Black Adam start using the whole "Morningstar of Rameses II, Vicar of Hyksos, Lion of Pelusium, Thunder of Aton, Scion of the New Kingdom" schpeal? Is that a new thing or is that some classic type saying like "Imperius Rex"?

And when did his Theo Adam persona start using a cane?


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Hmph. Once I finished reading the latest Black Adam volume, it seems pretty clear that both Black Adam and Superman: Lost are in-continuity despite what was said in interviews.

Certain timeline issues, yes. But the events, editor's notes and crossover appearances are pretty definitive.


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Hmph. Once I finished reading the latest Black Adam volume, it seems pretty clear that both Black Adam and Superman: Lost are in-continuity despite what was said in interviews.

Certain timeline issues, yes. But the events, editor's notes and crossover appearances are pretty definitive.


Isn't that why we have to rely on what's canon or not from the companies themselves? Like, What Ifs are meant to be 96% the same as 616, bar one change up to that point.


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Lol, it's out of continuity.


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Cyborg also shows the ability to open a continent sized boom tube to teleport others to the coldest place in the universe(five thousand light-years from earth)
This boom tube also capable of pulling the planets in solar system out or their orbits
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That's not even a top tier in DC lol


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Isn't that why we have to rely on what's canon or not from the companies themselves? Like, What Ifs are meant to be 96% the same as 616, bar one change up to that point.
I don't understand the question.

If I can elaborate, both Superman: Lost and Black Adam had interviews from the writer, Christopher Priest, at their outset suggesting that they stand in their own continuity. Given curious showings in the former, we kind of all just accepted that it was out of continuity.

But whatever the original intentions may have been, Black Adam is clearly in-continuity. There are multiple editor notes referring to when events took place relative to Dark Crisis, e.g., explaining why a character states there's no Justice League around anymore. Furthermore, a character introduced in Black Adam, Malik White, a/k/a Bolt, appeared in a Lazarus Planet title.

The reason why this is tied back into Superman : Lost is because Black Adam and his "Theo Teth-Adam" persona appears in one of the latest issues. That persona, AFAIK, with his distinctive haircut and use of cane was introduced in the latest Black Adam volume. And Black Adam uses a very specific self-aggrandizing schpeal in his Superman: Lost cameo that again, AFAIK, has only ever been used in the new Black Adam title.

So, again, writer's interviews to the contrary, both titles appear to be in-continuity. And for KMC's purposes, this example once again justifies the writer interview rule.


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That's not even a top tier in DC lol


How is he not top tier when he's as fast as Flash?


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How is he not top tier when he's as fast as Flash?

Lolwut?


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Nah, Carver is just sore because this thread
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Where Cyborg can defeat his anime/manga pet character

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Nah, Carver is just sore because this thread
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Where Cyborg can defeat his anime/manga pet character


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I don't understand the question.

If I can elaborate, both Superman: Lost and Black Adam had interviews from the writer, Christopher Priest, at their outset suggesting that they stand in their own continuity. Given curious showings in the former, we kind of all just accepted that it was out of continuity.

But whatever the original intentions may have been, Black Adam is clearly in-continuity. There are multiple editor notes referring to when events took place relative to Dark Crisis, e.g., explaining why a character states there's no Justice League around anymore. Furthermore, a character introduced in Black Adam, Malik White, a/k/a Bolt, appeared in a Lazarus Planet title.

The reason why this is tied back into Superman : Lost is because Black Adam and his "Theo Teth-Adam" persona appears in one of the latest issues. That persona, AFAIK, with his distinctive haircut and use of cane was introduced in the latest Black Adam volume. And Black Adam uses a very specific self-aggrandizing schpeal in his Superman: Lost cameo that again, AFAIK, has only ever been used in the new Black Adam title.

So, again, writer's interviews to the contrary, both titles appear to be in-continuity. And for KMC's purposes, this example once again justifies the writer interview rule.


Well, no, it's not just Priest's interviews that 'suggested' it was out of continuity.

https://www.dc.com/blog/2022/12/09/...carlo-pagulayan

From DC.com. the relevant section:
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Superman’s 85th anniversary celebration continues with this all new blockbuster 10-issue, self-contained series from the creators of the Eisner-nominated Deathstroke series!


(Emphasis mine)

Priest recycling his own ideas/interpretations across the books he writes, doesn't mean it's in continuity.


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^ I can take responsibility for my explanation not being clear enough. But you must take responsibility for clearly not reading the comics being discussed. Because you wouldn't be wasting your breath mindlessly insisting otherwise if you actually read Black Adam #1-12, Lazarus Planet: We Once Were Gods #1 and Superman: Lost #8.

You're under the misimpression that I'm pretending Christopher Priest gets to dictate what is canon or not. No. But DC editorial does. Maybe Priest wanted the freedom to tell his own stories and DC editorial weren't originally sure his stories would fit well into DC continuity. Once they saw how it was turning out, DC decided to fold them into continuity.

They didn't do it slyly or mysteriously like with Warren Ellis' Nextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E. They literally hammered the point repeatedly more and more as the stories progressed within the pages of the comics themselves.

When DC editors start clarifying within the pages of Christopher Priest's own book where the events take place relative to Dark Crisis, that's the company making the series canon.

When DC editors start placing Christopher Priest's original characters in other books and storylines like Lazarus Planet, that's the company making the series canon.

So do us both a favor and come back when you've read the comics.


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