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Also wanna point out that there's a chance the only reason Ganon survived the Master Sword is because of the Triforce of Power, which Demise didn't have.

Demise was also weakened when he fought Link, the details are a bit grimey, but he wasn't at full power at the time, that much is clear.

Furthermore, Demise wields a blade similarly powerful to the ****ing Master Sword, which is Ghirahim, the exact opposite of the master sword.

In the Hyrule Historia, it states:

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Demise wasn't at full power when Link finished him off either.

Hylia's/Zelda's soul was still being absorbed by Demise, and he was just recently sealed by the goddess.

Demise only managed to overpower the seal after he slowly gathered power for thousands of years.

In a way, the Imprisoned is actually more powerful then Demise at the end of the game. Link could only reseal the Imprisoned with a fully completed Master Sword, and couldn't kill him with it, and the seal was very close to being broken for good. That's something that Ganon could never claim.

Link had to use the Triforce to finish the Imprisoned off.

In the past, Demise is still licking the wounds from his fight with Hylia and is in the process of absorbing Zelda's soul to regain his strength.


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@Comparing the great Deku Tree and Jabu-Jabu to ****ing HYLIA. You are laughably ignorant.

Demise has better feats due to the fact that he stood against Hylia, who was a real bonafide god, rather then the... beings known as the Great Deku Tree (who is not capable of creation, and not a god in any sense of the word), and... c'mon man, Jabu-Jabu? Are we actually serious right now? You expect us to take you seriously by claiming he's a god, and if he is, comparable to Hylia?

Link had the Master Sword when he fought Ganon, true, but one could argue that it was at the peak of it's power as of when Link fought Demise, it seems like a big deal.
Yes, that would be true...

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Also wanna point out that there's a chance the only reason Ganon survived the Master Sword is because of the Triforce of Power, which Demise didn't have.

Demise was also weakened when he fought Link, the details are a bit grimey, but he wasn't at full power at the time, that much is clear.

Furthermore, Demise wields a blade similarly powerful to the ****ing Master Sword, which is Ghirahim, the exact opposite of the master sword.

In the Hyrule Historia, it states:

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Demise wasn't at full power when Link finished him off either.

Hylia's/Zelda's soul was still being absorbed by Demise, and he was just recently sealed by the goddess.

Demise only managed to overpower the seal after he slowly gathered power for thousands of years.

In a way, the Imprisoned is actually more powerful then Demise at the end of the game. Link could only reseal the Imprisoned with a fully completed Master Sword, and couldn't kill him with it, and the seal was very close to being broken for good. That's something that Ganon could never claim.

Link had to use the Triforce to finish the Imprisoned off.

In the past, Demise is still licking the wounds from his fight with Hylia and is in the process of absorbing Zelda's soul to regain his strength.
You legitimately covered nearly all of it! :laugh!

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@Comparing the great Deku Tree and Jabu-Jabu to ****ing HYLIA. You are laughably ignorant.


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Yes, that would be true...

Killing a tree and a Fat Fish is no achievement! laughing


Never go full retard. The Great Deku Tree is the guardian deity of the forest whose purpose is to protect the world against outsiders and literally maintain the order of the world. Have you played the game?

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Demise has better feats due to the fact that he stood against Hylia, who was a real bonafide god, rather then the... beings known as the Great Deku Tree (who is not capable of creation, and not a god in any sense of the word), and... c'mon man, Jabu-Jabu? Are we actually serious right now? You expect us to take you seriously by claiming he's a god, and if he is, comparable to Hylia?


Ok, so you don't know how feats work and haven't played the game, and certainly have no knowledge of the original Japanese...

The GDT is a guardian deity which is stated in his Japanese title. He created the Kokiri/forest spirits as mentioned by a Kokiri who tells you that he is their father. I am not the one claiming that Jabu-Jabu is a god. The game directly tells us that he is one. If you believe it, that's on you, but the game plainly states that he is a god. I even provided the screenshot.

As for Demise, name the feats that has that are better than Ganondorfs. He stalemated to Hylia and Hylia had to have the hero to beat Demise because she couldn't do it herself. Ganondorf, especially with a piece of the Triforce, would clap both of their cheeks.

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Link had the Master Sword when he fought Ganon, true, but one could argue that it was at the peak of it's power as of when Link fought Demise, it seems like a big deal.


During the end fight with Ganon in OoT, the Master Sword glows with it's full splendor a-la BotW before the final blow.

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Jmanghan: Also wanna point out that there's a chance the only reason Ganon survived the Master Sword is because of the Triforce of Power, which Demise didn't have.


True, but also Ganon persists past any defeat because we see him come back over and over. Contrast this with Demise, who loses on his first encounter with a human willing to fight him and is obliterated, never to be seen again. You can make a fair argument that since Demise and Ganon are both Incarnations of malice, Demise's hate carries on that way, but Demise the character is gone.

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Demise was also weakened when he fought Link, the details are a bit grimey, but he wasn't at full power at the time, that much is clear.

In the past, Demise is still licking the wounds from his fight with Hylia and is in the process of absorbing Zelda's soul to regain his strength.


The game actually says that he hadn't fully absorbed Hylia's soul. Also, Impa says several times that his power is returning even while sealed as Imprisoned. Demise's normal "hair" color is black. Absorbing Hylia's soul is what gives it the fiery color. Following the trope, absorbing Hylia's soul should make him more powerful than before. It certainly would be folly to say that Demise + Hylia soul = less powerful than Demise. It makes more sense that him devouring her soul and going super saiyan would make him more powerful, even if he hadn't fully absorbed it yet.

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Furthermore, Demise wields a blade similarly powerful to the ****ing Master Sword, which is Ghirahim, the exact opposite of the master sword. Demise wasn't at full power when Link finished him off either.

Hylia's/Zelda's soul was still being absorbed by Demise, and he was just recently sealed by the goddess.

Demise only managed to overpower the seal after he slowly gathered power for thousands of years.


Similar, but inferior. The blade is disintegrated along with Demise after tasting the might of the Master Sword.

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In the Hyrule Historia, it states:


The Hyrule Historia isn't canon. Evidence from the games is what we are looking for.

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In a way, the Imprisoned is actually more powerful then Demise at the end of the game. Link could only reseal the Imprisoned with a fully completed Master Sword, and couldn't kill him with it, and the seal was very close to being broken for good. That's something that Ganon could never claim.


I don't wanna be rude, but that is NOT true at all. Ganondorf escaped from the Void of the Evil Realm. This was a seal that was created by 6 sages + the goddess blood heir who possesses the Triforce of Wisdom. On top of that, the Sacred Realm (from which the portal was opened) was sealed once again by Link returning the Master Sword to the Pedestal of Time at the end of the game. Ganondorf had to get past all of that when he broke out in WW's prologue story. This is overwhelmingly more than Demise had to deal with.

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Link had to use the Triforce to finish the Imprisoned off.


You mean this:

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I strongly suggest getting the facts in order before making claims with no evidence to support them.


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You are now stating that Hylia is weaker than Ganondorf.

Give me a break.


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You are now stating that Hylia is weaker than Ganondorf.

Give me a break.


Hylia is weaker than Ganondorf and SS Link. If she wasn't she wouldn't have needed Link to defeat Demise, obviously.


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Hylia is weaker than Ganondorf and SS Link. If she wasn't she wouldn't have needed Link to defeat Demise, obviously.
I am pretty sure it is a widely known fact that Hylia is extremely powerful and stronger than Ganondorf.

You know all your facts, but you simply use them incorrectly. erm


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I am pretty sure it is a widely known fact that Hylia is extremely powerful and stronger than Ganondorf.

You know all your facts, but you simply use them incorrectly. erm


No, no it's not a widely known fact. You are denying what the game plainly shows us. If you can read, then you should be able to figure out that Hylia (or any other being) is weaker than any character with a piece of the Triforce. Hylia literally throws away her godhood for a chance to use the Triforce. That ought to tell you something.


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No, no it's not a widely known fact. You are denying what the game plainly shows us. If you can read, then you should be able to figure out that Hylia (or any other being) is weaker than any character with a piece of the Triforce. Hylia literally throws away her godhood for a chance to use the Triforce. That ought to tell you something.
Have you considered she had to use it because there was no other way she could kill Demise.


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Have you considered she had to use it because there was no other way she could kill Demise.


That's wrong. Link was able to do it himself, both with the Triforce in the present and using the Master Sword in the past. In both cases, it was never necessary for Hylia to give up her godhood so she could use the Triforce. Link did all of the work himself.


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That's wrong. Link was able to do it himself, both with the Triforce in the present and using the Master Sword in the past. In both cases, it was never necessary for Hylia to give up her godhood so she could use the Triforce. Link did all of the work himself.
Link isn’t all they work him up to be.

It is another one of those “Bad can never win” things.

He is a elf, with a powerful sword.


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He has omnipotence at his disposal with the Triforce...


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He has omnipotence at his disposal with the Triforce...
Are you stating that Link is omnipotent?


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Are you stating that Link is omnipotent?


The Triforce is omnipotent (and omniscient). Anyone using the Triforce has access to omnipotence.


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But Link only has one part of it.


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But Link only has one part of it.


Link gets the entire Triforce in Skyward Sword, Link to the Past and A Link Between Worlds.


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Link gets the entire Triforce in Skyward Sword, Link to the Past and A Link Between Worlds.
Skyward Sword?

That explains how he defeats Demise.


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Skyward Sword?

That explains how he defeats Demise.


He defeats him twice. Once with the Triforce in the present and another time with the Master Sword in the past.


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He defeats him twice. Once with the Triforce in the present and another time with the Master Sword in the past.
I know too little about Skyward Sword to argue this! laughing

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I know too little about Skyward Sword to argue this! laughing

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