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It's run its course
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8.33%
It's Probably Misunderstood
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25.00%
Feminists are being cynical about it
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0%
A means of revenge/shaming agains males
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16.67%
It has gone too far.
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50.00%
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Putinbot1
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by shiv
Look Surtur
In the parts of the world where this stuff happens they are living the same traditions they have lived for hundreds of years + with some elements of what we recognise as say 19th Century to 20th Century cultural values mixed in.
Some parts of the world, Asia, India, Middle East, Even Europe if you go there you will find they don't even have the language or the concept for many things.
Some questions you have to go there or maybe speak with some one from there.
Some questions, are pretty well covered:
Example: Chinese Small Feet Tradition
I don't disagree with any of this. I live in Africa, I've lived in a number of other places in Africa and Asia, even that asking can be complex.
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Jan 14th, 2019 08:55 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Putinbot1
I don't disagree with any of this. I live in Africa, I've lived in a number of other places in Africa and Asia, even that asking can be complex.
You'll agree, though.
FGM may be the worst thing humans have ever done for the sake of tradition.
Eating the dead flesh of your enemies (Maori)? That's actually pretty cool. Gross. But cool. One of the most disgusting traditions that showed respect to your slain enemies.
But FGM? Nah. It's the worst. Terrible terrible.
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Jan 14th, 2019 08:59 PM
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:00 PM
samhain
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by shiv
Btw its women who carry out genital mutilation on young girls in Africa.
Men don't go around lifting their daughters skirts. Or other people's daughters skirts. Thats what the elder women do.
The female circumcision as they call it is often a part of the coming of age ceremonies the women do in some cultures.
If you want to get all female genital mutilations to stop then you have to get the mothers and the grandmothers aunts and woman who are leaders in their communities where this happens to archive the procedure.
Spot on. I know a Somali girl who was smuggled out of the country by her brother and father against her mothers wishes. Apparently it's what the Tori Amos song, Cornflake Girl is about. (Mothers partaking in their daughters castration, not the Somali girl I know specifically.)
To the question at hand; I think feminism, like all movements, attracts and has attracted people who don't really share in its ideology but are rather using it as a shield or a device to allow them to be the hateful, angry, combative bullies that they are. These people are actually sort of a hindrance to feminism as their toxic attitude would drive a lot of fence-sitters away from issues they might otherwise have an interest in.
Ultimately though, I don't give a shit about feminism as it boils down to designated equality for some, I'd rather have general equality for all.
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:04 PM
samhain
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Just noticed how none of the voting options offer any positive choices on feminism, they're mostly different takes on 'feminism bad'.
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:08 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Surtur
My view is that if feminism was still truly needed they wouldn't have to make up fake problems like the pay gap or the idea the USA is a rape culture.
There's genuine issues beyond your country's borders, Surt.
Jan 14th, 2019 09:11 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by dadudemon
Yup.
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:14 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by dadudemon
You'll agree, though.
FGM may be the worst thing humans have ever done for the sake of tradition.
Eating the dead flesh of your enemies (Maori)? That's actually pretty cool. Gross. But cool. One of the most disgusting traditions that showed respect to your slain enemies.
But FGM? Nah. It's the worst. Terrible terrible.
slavery and head hunting, ritual rape, all traditions somewhere none are good by our standards. However I have no right to impose my will on another culture.
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:16 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by samhain
Just noticed how none of the voting options offer any positive choices on feminism, they're mostly different takes on 'feminism bad'.
Haha, yup!
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:17 PM
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It's almost like these tender t!tty-babies can't cope with other opinions.
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:38 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jaden_2.0
There's genuine issues beyond your country's borders, Surt.
Yeah, so why don't the feminists here care?
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:40 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by dadudemon
You'll agree, though.
FGM may be the worst thing humans have ever done for the sake of tradition.
Eating the dead flesh of your enemies (Maori)? That's actually pretty cool. Gross. But cool. One of the most disgusting traditions that showed respect to your slain enemies.
But FGM? Nah. It's the worst. Terrible terrible.
Really just obliterates the "all cultures are equal" logic some espouse. No, some are most definitely superior to others.
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:41 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by samhain
Just noticed how none of the voting options offer any positive choices on feminism, they're mostly different takes on 'feminism bad'.
Because feminism is factually bad, just go to a edgelord youtuber ranter's page; they'll tell you and that's all you need to form an opinion.
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:51 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Robtard
Because feminism is bad, just got to a a male edgelord youtuber ranter's page; they'll tell you and that's all you need to form an opinion.
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:53 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Surtur
Really just obliterates the "all cultures are equal" logic some espouse. No, some are most definitely superior to others.
what does that even mean?
Equal technologically, artistically, morally, historically, at tiddly winks. Why, is that even an argument? How do you measure it?
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:55 PM
Robtard
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Putinbot1
what does that even mean?
Equal technologically, artistically, morally, historically, at fiddly winks. Why, is that even an argument?
Feeling superior to other cultures, especially cultures where brown people are dominant is VERY important to some people here. Add an Islamic factor in as well and that's just extra toppings.
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:57 PM
jaden_2.0
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, so why don't the feminists here care?
Some do. You just have it in your head that all feminists are like the screeching red haired "shut the **** up" woman and Hugh Mungus's nemesis, Zarna Joshi because you only get your opinions on feminism from people who address those types.
Jan 14th, 2019 09:57 PM
Robtard
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Some do. You just have it in your head that all feminists are like the screeching red haired "shut the **** up" woman and Hugh Mungus's nemesis, Zarna Joshi because you only get your opinions on feminism from people who address those types.
^ That's a bingo.
There's plenty of feminist in the US and UK alone who campaign for women's/equal rights in other countries.
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:58 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Robtard
Feeling superior to other cultures, especially cultures where brown people are dominant is VERY important to some people here. Add an Islamic factor in as well and that's just extra toppings.
Forgot that Rob, I'm all clear about it now. Sad but true post
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Jan 14th, 2019 09:59 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Some do. You just have it in your head that all feminists are like the screeching red haired "shut the **** up" woman and Hugh Mungus's nemesis, Zarna Joshi because you only get your opinions on feminism from people who address those types.
missed this, top notch!
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Jan 14th, 2019 10:04 PM
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