The right to free speech does not give you a right to a platform
The title quote by Owen Jones sums it up. It's not a case of Free Speech means you have to be heard, if people don't want to listen to you why should they have to?
Rightists don't understand the majority of people with any kind of Education or brains often find their views disgusting as well as they find the views of many radicals including radical Islamists like Anjem Choudary (I might add most Muslims also find Choudary disgusting and speak out against him, it's just not reported).
Gay cures, Anjem Choudary, Tommy Robinson, none of these deserve a platform for normal people.
If the majority of students at a University find Milo disgusting why should they have to have him near them.
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OWEN JONES LOL
Does not surprise me at all to see that he's the author of a piece with this title.
I agree with you in terms of having a legal right to a platform in the private sector, but if a publicly funded university is operating under tax payer money and pulls this deplatforming shit from a pretty blatant political bias, that is a problem because that's not private industry.
Also what platforms like Patreon and twitter should have a right to do, doesn't mean them exercising that right isn't something I don't take moral issue with, even though I believe that decision is theirs to make and should be. I'm critical of their actions in a similar way that'd I'd be critical of someone being lazy, or someone spewing hateful rhetoric even though I believe they do and should have the right to do so under the law.
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I laughed too. Imagine being such a loser you gripe over youtube videos, but then cite Owen Jones with a straight face lol.
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
But if there was any sign, any words, or any evidence at all that this was a call to action or a desire to hang Trump, it'd be illegal. Again, this was tested and made fairly clear under Brandenburg v. Ohio like I posted in the other thread.
I think the violent effigies would fail the protected speech test if even an utterance about "taking down Trump" was included. It's that close to the line.
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And due to the Streisand Effect, it may be counterproductive to try and silence people they disagree with. Just makes them get more PR and be "Free Speech" martyrs.
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Makes you wonder what's behind these deplatformings.
With a public school, that's easy: It's the board pushing agenda's, often to avoid lawsuits. Administrators simply toe the line, and have no real say on what goes on in their school.
At universities, it's harder to pinpoint what's really going on. Tenured faculty could be pro-active, as could the students. Presidents have been known to enact policies for no apparent reason. The buck usually stops with a "corporate" board, made up of the Governor and a mix of elected officers and legacies, but you never really know how much they interfere in the day to day, as that's not something that's usually reported on..
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
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It is not at all difficult to figure out what is going on. College unaffordability has led universities to a consumer-driven model. The students are now customers, and colleges go out of their way to please them in order to keep the tuition money rolling in.
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So you're saying that, despite claims to the contrary by those on the right, the Universities aren't haven's of far left ideology at all, but have instead become exactly the same sort of beast the corporations are that they hate so much?
If all universities are now, are mills designed to take kids money, as opposed to a social good that trades money for knowledge, as a leftist, it must be hell working for such an organization.
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Yup. I have never once seen an instance where some conservative was gonna give a speech and the university made it mandatory for students to attend.
If some conservatives very presence on campus triggers people that much they might as well just leave college and take courses online.
These shouldn't be hard lessons for people to learn. Don't like a speaker? Don't listen. Don't like a tv show? Change the channel. Don't like a product? Don't buy it.
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You are stating the most obvious, if the majority of students find Milo disgusting, they don’t have to listen to him. However, they cannot change the plans the university makes. Also, Marxist and atheist professors fill our public school system. Don’t you think there are some students that don’t want to listen to their bull crap. I actually agree with you, our students are forced to listen to these idiots by law. Or they will have to pay for private school which is very expensive. Another alternative is Catholic school, which no one in their right mind would want to go to. Or you can be home schooled which you would be sacrificing scholarships. People at universities have a mind of their own. But children, will believe everything they hear. The teachers have been given a stage to teach upon yet children have to listen to them soaking in all the idiocy of the leftist professor. Atheism and leftism is dominate in the public school system.
Of course they can if they are a Private University, in Public Universities they can lobby the board.
Point 2, that's why teachers have the most stringent checks, no doubt some bad apples get through, when they do it makes front page news.
Professors bad... Alt right good... but not really.
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