I OBVIOUSLY have the speed advantage. Judges, Dambo used Ali. Here is Tyson:
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That’s two HUMAN level guys, lol, let alone Slowdinson and Wally.
But so what? I run really fast, and send them all back - what can I do offensively?
I speedsteal, instantly, like against Amazo (who was a speedster himself. Yet was powerless to react in time):: https://i.postimg.cc/xdZW7NBG/27.jpg
Without even needing to be physically present - here, Flash speedsteals the entire planet whilst being at - you guessed it - one of Earth’s poles: https://i.postimg.cc/xd7Lz9bT/26.jpg
I have more. A LOT more. But this should serve as a tasty opener, judges. AS SOON AS THE MATCH STARTS, I can flood the entire Earth with as many time clones as I want. I can speedsteal the already far, FAR slower Thor down to become a statue. Then have my way with him, with any AND ALL of the below attacks, SIMULTANEOUSLY:
Remember, I can do all of these things simultaneously, within a femtosecond:
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For reference, it takes 200 femtoseconds for the pigments in an eye to react to light, let alone for the signal to travel to your brain, and your brain to process that light is present. Thor's eyes wouldn't even register that Wally has a red costume on, let alone have his brain realise that it's 'red'.
The match is over before Thor even realises which way is up. Mjolnir wouldn’t save him, either - frozen as it is in place. Galaxy-sized Motherstorm, meet multiversal Speed Force: https://i.postimg.cc/YSVyCKrQ/28.jpg
IOW, 'I fully recognise that Flash is faster, and has the first strike advantage - therefore, I agree the first attack belongs to him'.
Now, what was my first attack?
Game, set, match. Wally has stolen the speed of the entire planet, not once, but twice (the first time being in the race with Kraakl, and the second posted here). He didn't need line of sight, but even if he did, I posted a scan of him casually crossing the Earth: https://i.postimg.cc/QMPTZL9v/32.jpg
The distance is 12,430 miles. Assuming Flash is ONLY travelling at lightspeed, that makes it....0.07 seconds, lol.
And then, ASSUMING I needed to do more.....I could just open a portal to the Speed Force, and hold Thor there: https://i.postimg.cc/BvykgqZw/17.jpg
The Sun burnt his entire arm off. Infinite energy would destroy him.
I simply MUST address one point, though. Not that he EVER had a snowball's chance in hell, but his main offensive tactic? That was to drain me.
Cast your mind back, judges, to the 90s. A supervillain by the name of Savitar, who had dedicated HIS ENTIRE LIFE to studying the Speed Force, came and waged a war against all speedsters. Drained their energy using speedsteal tricks.
Judges, in summary:
His defence, gone/nonexistent. He gambled on me punching really hard, and Thor weathering it. But he has no defence against my speed, nor against my speedsteal.
His offense, IF he manages to even try it? Nonexistent. Wally is so closely tied to the speed force, villains whose main power is doing PRECISELY that are unable to do so with him.
"Outrunning time" which what Wally was doing in that scan is a vague, non-quantifiable, DC concept. In DC, the "Time barrier" can be broken by moving beyond lightspeed, Speed is Distance/Time. Once you can no longer figure out how far someone traveled, in a certain measurable amount of time, you're no longer talking about Speed and it becomes Non-quantifiable
About this scan where Wally "speed stole" the entire planet?
Justice League of America #75.
Increasing the size of Wonder Woman's lasso, he sends her, Superman and Martian Manhunter to drag the Earth back into orbit. Flash goes to the North Pole to absorb the stress they are putting on the Earth's surface.
Here's the page preceding the one people cite for Flash.
Diana's Lasso of Truth was increased in size to wrap around the planet, so she, Martian Manhunter and Superman can pull the Earth back into orbit after a villain throws enough water into orbit to disrupt said orbit. What Flash actually does is absorb the kinetic energy of the stress those three are putting on the Earth. https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/JL...sue-75?id=39341
Thor can literally kill Wally with an AOE cosmic lightning, Dodging is pointless if there's nowhere to dodge to. for reference in Avengers Assemble #8 Thor's lighting was able to cover up cosmic Cube Thanos who massively dwarfed planets in size https://imgur.com/a/Y6Uqi2G
Did you read your own scan? he specifically says all he was only able to take was Amazo's super speed bexause he was so wounded, they can only take X amount of KE. Flash took X amount, and all it did was make Amazo not as fast as Flash. Flash is really fast, so that's not a bad feat by any metric.
One thing about Thor is he's far more versatile for example, he can a swirl of the hammer to erase your memories of everything
leaving you mentally nothing
Control gravity to keeping you grounded and negate your speed. so much for speed huh? https://imgur.com/a/grkQ1AU
Thor himself has shown the ability to stop time. whats speed gonna do If decides to stop time in a localized area around Diana? https://imgur.com/a/IAIpHWh
for reference Here's Bruce banner explaining why thors able to manipulate time. It's because of his hammer being made of Uru. With when span at a high enough speed https://imgur.com/a/NLwVyn9
Also does anyone remember the time young Thor his Gorr so hard it's opened up a worm hole sending him to another place in space? I do https://imgur.com/a/VoCkBFQ
It starts with the sound barrier. Then the lightspeed barrier. THEN the time barrier.
Read your VERY OWN words:
IOW, as per YOUR words, to break the time barrier, one must FIRST break the lightspeed barrier. Read my other scans, where Wally is confirmed by Jay to be FTL.
But this is all moot, and a red herring, judges!! Don't be distracted!!! We all agree - hell, this entire BZ challenge occurred as a result of the fact - that Thor is far far slower than anything being presented here.
Read Wally' OWN words: It's like absorbing the energy of a bullet. Only bigger. A LOT &^%&&% bigger: (please log in to view the image)
At this point, my opponent is just throwing semantics around, judges. Don't be fooled.
Match starts, and Thor is frozen.
I'm going to be honest here, judges. I didn't click a single one of those scans.
YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER.
Sure, I'm 100% in agreement that Thor is powerful. 10,000% in agreement. I also agree that he's versatile as phuck. I'm NOT disputing that.
That's the respect, now the disrespect.
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That's two HUMAN level guys, facing off. No matter what the other guy does, though, he's simply too slow for Tyson. One opening, was all Tyson needed, and he took it. And he won. Here, the gap - even BEFORE the speedsteal - is so astronomical that it beggars belief. Thor struggles against speedsters Wally would outreact and blitz.
Who cares that Thor can summon lightning? He's never getting the chance to do it against ONE Wally, let alone an entire army of Wally's, let alone when he's being slowed/frozen. Keep this scene in mind, only, imagine they're Flashes instead of Gogs: (please log in to view the image)
So many holes to pick here.
1. Wally isn't badly injured in this BZ match, he's as fresh as a daisy. So being able to speedsteal a trans-level character whilst half dead? Amazing feat.
2. They can ONLY take X amount of energy??? Really??
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An 'endless supply at my fingertips'.
3. So what is your argument now....that Flash CAN take Thor's superspeed, leaving Thor...slower?
IOW, Flash - Wally West - the Flash who breaks the lightspeed barrier for fun - is too fast for Zoom to see - is now facing, what, a human level Thor?
Lol, OK. I can roll with that.
All fun looking, interesting sounding feats. Didn't open any of them - I suspect (judges, tell me if I'm right) that they all involve Thor either needing a distraction, OR taking time to twirl his hammer? I mean, are we really going to say he's going to be able to do it against a - no, THE FTL speedster? Whilst possessing NO superspeed? Versatility, sure, Thor has it in spades. But he's not even going to be able to grasp the fact that he's being beaten, so quickly would the fight end.
Who wins in a fight, a trained sniper from 100m away or a guy with a Swiss Army knife that can also open bottles and cans?
Remember how this BZ challenge started:
Summary
Judges, real talk. My opponent acknowledges that Thor's history against speedsters (all of whom are nowhere near Wally) sucks. He acknowledges that Wally would be able to land the first hits:
Of course, he gambled poorly, and didn't realise that I was actually speedstealing instead. Making Thor EVEN SLOWER.
But even after being shown it, he acknowledges that it worked against Amazo. So....Thor now has what little superspeed he had, taken away.
That was ONE Flash.
ONE.
Now, we have an entire army. If I am being charitable, I could just leave him frozen. If not, well, see my OP.
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