None of those were from the media or celebrities with millions of followers.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
You know for someone who has said "you didn't read what I said" multiple times today...you're sure doing a lot of that.
Nobody tried to delegitimize what happened, I'm explaining to you why there was more of an outcry. Nobody said ignore threats from random trolls.
But when someone with hundreds of thousands or even millions of followers makes death threats or tells their followers to go after someone? It's more problematic than some random dude.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
Nib has already explained this to you in great detail, you repeating yourself while ignoring his points makes you seem very dishonest.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
It's called the false equivalence fallacy, it's one of the tactics people with no valid argument tend to fall back on.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Odd, because you're the one who brought up how doxxing and death threats to teens is disgraceful yet I pointed out how that seems like selective outrage. Given that the response to that was a litany of excuses as to why he got them with only a throwaway acknowledgment that it's bad too.
Also odd that your argument hinges on the media portrayal of stoking the fire because of their massive power and influence on public opinion yet the overwhelming praise of David Hogg didn't seem to stop him getting massive amounts of public hatred resulting in death threats etc. It's almost as if the media doesn't wield the monopolistic power you claim it does. In fact it's widely accepted that traditional media are losing influence over public opinion.
As for celebrities...They can be outraged idiots too. Clearly.
Odd, I don’t think I ever used the word “disgraceful”. Pls quote where I said that. And how is staying on topic of the thread “selective”? If anything, you should be thankful we didn’t call you out on your desperate off-topic attempt at whattaboutism and actually answered your off-topic reply. You call ppl idiots for getting mad at all this and now are accusing me of feeling unequal outrage when I’ve already made it clear I am not outraged at either. Wrong is wrong and I’m just pointing it out.
If you think the “differences” I pointed out were wrong feel free to debate them one by one. Going nuh-uh and calling them “excuses” is not an argument.
Except I never claimed the media had monopolistic power. I said that the power they wield is highly destructive and they need to be held accountable when they use it irresponsibly with wanton disregard for truth.
You mean ppl don’t react the same to news? OMG, what new information! It’s almost as if there is a range of ppl out there with a range of varying opinions. /s
If you do not understand the difference between choosing a public life vs public life being forced on you, then I guess it’s hopeless. I guess, for you, becoming a boxer then getting beat up in the ring and getting jumped in an alley is the same thing...
Bottom line: Yes, celebs can be idiots or at least out of touch (unsurprisingly, ppl in sycophant echo chambers usually are). The media can be irresponsible and destructive. YOU brought up why this was an “utter non-issue” and that’s on you if you don’t find it important. But let me say that you getting so triggered over ppl getting triggered on what YOU consider a non-issue only makes you the bigger idiot. Give that some thought.
And while YOU don’t want to discuss this, there are ppl who do. And if you can’t understand why ppl would want to discuss issues like this (as some WOULD find irresponsible, destructive and dishonest behavior by powerful individuals/groups like the media or the POTUS to be a viable issues for discussion), maybe you should stick to the comics or movie VS forums?
Apparently some wrongs are worse than others given the reaction to the two instances of kids getting death threats.
They were clearly excuses. Attempting to justify death threats to a kid because he chose to have a public profile. Victim blaming.
Yes, the media can demonize people entirely unfairly. Did they do it in this case? Given that I don't watch US news (even the UK versions of CNN etc have UK presenters and aren't the same as the US broadcasts) then I can only go on what I read on here and see on YouTube channels I subscribe to and on that basis I will say yes. I've seen it happen in the UK press. Christopher Jeffries springs to mind. It's abhorrent behaviour. It doesn't, however, negate personal responsibility of those who react to it...i.e the idiots who get angry over the non-issue of a kid wearing a hat and having a grin.
You're terrible at analogies.
Seems you're the one that's "triggered". Probably because you identify with the people I'm calling idiots. If the MAGA cap fits...
See? This is probably why you are so triggered all the time. You don’t understand ppl’s arguments so instead you kneejerk into strawmans. The fact that I already condemned the doxxing and death threats equally already proves your “reaction” BS wrong. MY reply was to explain why the media was at fault in one and not as much the other w/c is what we were debating about in the first place (see: second paragraph of my first reply to you RE: Hogg) and the reason why one gets more attention from me than the other. I replied because you insinuated (by your last sentence of your Hogg whattaboutism) that this was more likely about partisanship rather than right or wrong so I simply clarified and differentiated. So lern2read a little a better and stop being dumb.
Again, kneejerk strawman due to a poor understanding of the other poster’s logic.
And at no point did I absolve anyone of their actions with regards to this kid. On the contrary, my goal was to properly condemn the correct parties. And I stated that this topic was worth discussing because the deeper implications (ie. media’s irresponsibility and holding them to account) are actually relevant points of discussion. Again, kneejerk strawman from a poor understanding of the logic being brought forth.
I don’t know, only one idiot keeps coming back to a discussion he himself deems a non-issue for idiots. If that is not a self-owning admission, I don’t know what is. At least I argue that this discussion isn’t for idiots due to its deeper implications. But you think whatever you wanna think.
We get it, you hate Trump and his voters/supporters. Too bad I would have never voted for him even if I could (I can’t vote in the US duh) nor do I support him. I guess I’m one of those ppl who don’t care about political parties and decide to tackle things issue per issue. If you do not get that wrong is wrong regardless of partisanship, then you are part of the problem.
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Jaden chastises people for not reading what he says and then strawmans them. It sounds like he's trolling. Or at least I hope he is.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
Blames someone of strawmanning while claiming a victory against an argument I never even made. Amazing.
Here's the analogy for your logic comparing MAGA hat kid and Hogg.
Two women get gang raped. Everyone rightly condemns the disgusting rapists...but you think one of the women brought it on themselves by dressing provocatively in public where as the other one was at home minding her own business.
__________________ Sweating on the streets of Woking
That isn't even close to what's happening here, but go ahead continue to prove to the entire board just how biased you are.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
If I “claimed victory” over an argument you “never made”. Point it out and quote it from my last reply, otherwise I’ll call you a liar as I went point for point.
See? This is you not understanding my point yet again. This is getting old. You want me to simplify it the so that a 10 year old can understand? Here:
You understand public figures (especially provocateurs) are exposed to the risk death threats and doxxing 24/7 as par for course of the lifestyle/career/path they choose right? They know this and they have a choice to pursue this lifestyle or not. Like a cop choosing his job and always at risk of getting shot by a criminal.
Is getting doxxed/threatened ok? Is a cop getting shot ok? NO. But you accept that risk when you take the job. Women do not accept the risks of getting exposed to rape by dressing provocatively. That is not something they choose to risk with the path they took as the risk of rape does not come with how you dress. The fact that you seem to think those are the same is very disturbing and you might need therapy to get the thoughts of rape out of your head.
The difference I was trying to make (and you are failing to grasp) with MAGA kid is that he never chose this lifestyle/career. The media thrust it (and all its risks and dangers) upon him against his will. W/c adds another layer of malice as that puts us all at risk regardless of our choices and thus it turns us into victims. <— in fact your rape analogy might be closer to what happened to MAGA kid than Hogg as both tears the choice away from the victims.
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Deary me. My argument was that the situation that started the entire debacle was a non-issue. A kid wearing a hat and a grin facing off against an old man banging a drum and that the entire outrage surrounding it is idiotic and the people reacting to it are idiots. You seemed to take that as a personal attack and segwayed into going on about the abuse of power of the media. Something I never even mentioned. Then claimed victory against an argument I never even made. Then when I did address it I actually agreed with you.
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Lol. You cannot be that dumb. You’re trolling now right?
You stated it was a non-issue. I stated that it has nuances you are not looking at then you go ahead and trollishly “declare victory” (by going “my point proven”) without even offering an explanation (gee, complaining about me “declaring victory” when that was the first reply you provided me. hypocrite much?). We have a short exchange (where you post aggressively whilst I was simply stating matter-of-factly). Which ended with me nailing you with your own stupid logic (complaining about ppl arguing about non-issues in a website where ppl argue about superheroes). You then skip my entire post and then resort to a “U mad” troll post and as well as other sub-par trolling tactics.
I then state that if I got you to resort to trolling, then my job’s done.
That’s the entirety of what happened (prior to your Hogg whattaboutism). The fact that you are claiming that I declared victory against an argument never made (instead of pointing out that only losers would resort to trolling), then you are either delusional, stupid or a liar.
Fell free and go back to see if I missed anything. But I can link to every reply from the above while you just make things up.
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I say that people are getting far too angry over nothing. You point out that the kid is getting death threats over it which in turn proves my point that people are getting far too angry over nothing.
__________________ Sweating on the streets of Woking
Lol. Man this is too rich! You claim “I declared victory over an argument you never made”. When you:
1) Claimed victory.
2) Claimed that I pointed out that “the kid is getting death threats over it”. When this is my entire reply:
Where the phrase “death threats” AND “kid” aren’t even there. Not even “getting” for that matter. Literally claiming victory over an argument I never made and (apparently) you never read.
I guess in your rush to accuse you forgot that you were the actual guilty party.
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