When they first attacked him, he slapped Thor away, and then restrained Jane with his shapeshifting, until Thor came back and forced him to free her, then they attacked again and won [with Jane hitting him full on with the hammer in the face, and him not missing a beat, answering your question of "why doesn't Gladiator just hit him in the face"]. Losing to two Thors is not something that puts him below Gladiator. Looking above each of them individually, to that extreme, does.
This is consistent with his first encounter with Thor, where a backslap [again] almost broke his spine: https://imgur.com/a/sh3c0r8
And a headbutt was so strong, another one would have also broken his spine, forcing Thor to retreat: https://imgur.com/a/ujR42Mw
In short - if Apocalypse gets his hands on him, he'd hold him down and have his way with him.
Sure. The 'bullrush' is something that is feasible [I mean -- Heimdall tanked it], but getting close to Apoc is dangerous, as he could just give him the Ikaris special: https://imgur.com/a/a95xyQ4
Gladiator is more durable than Ikaris, but Apoc's level of strength combined with his shapeshifting [which - again - has restrained Jane] would make this very applicable.
In terms of non-flying, Gladiator's greatest combat speed feat is the 'nanoseconds' perception - if you take statements at face value. That is, depending on how many 'nanoseconds' it refers to, highly relativistic to more. If we don't just take statements, and show how fast he actually moves without flying [i.e. like this: http://i.imgur.com/5MYSw50.jpg] it would be lower. Apocalypse's shapeshifting alone operates at a level where he can wrap itself around Cyclops' optic blast: https://imgur.com/a/k62WSKz
Casually teleport out of its way https://imgur.com/a/zWiK9cq
Which is specifically light speed: https://imgur.com/a/SxZB6xi
Now, that doesn't make him lightspeed [we also have to take into the visors: https://imgur.com/a/WkWsbTJ], but within the context where his shapeshifting allows him to overcome Quicksilver's speed: https://imgur.com/a/nl4cDNn
while he was literally on his death bed [this detail doesn't get mentioned enough] so that's his very weakened level of speed: https://imgur.com/a/WzKCzYg
It shows that Apoc is quite fast. Fast enough to not get blitz-beaten? Perhaps not. But a case can be made.
And as a bonus, here's him shapeshifting around Ikaris's vision-blast, also: https://imgur.com/a/T2DHDX6
I haven't even gotten into the Apocalypse's vast abilities.
He can not only teleport himself, but he can also teleport other people, even from a distance. He has teleported Hulk right next to him while hundreds of miles away: https://imgur.com/a/nDdXzqi
He has forcefully teleported High-Evolutionary: https://imgur.com/a/WDDXkEq
...Apoc could simply teleport/shapeshift into him [in more ways than one].
Not to mention Apocalypse can also make forcefields...[which have easily restrained Exodus]
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Plus Styfe Cable's clone made Apoclypse cry and bleed by Apoclypse ran and took an L as always and Stryfe took over the Dark Riders because he made him run (please log in to view the image)
mean come on Apoclypse rarely wins any matches, He's a lower tier character. go ahead show me something good, how didn't you know generation battle was a simulation in her vanishing point? This wasn't even old just 2 years ago. lol
Apocalypse was vastly weakened when he fought Stryfe.
Why do you never have any idea what you're talking about?
Read some comics. Would you like me to give you a reading recommandations?
What does this have to do with anything? Yes, Thor made an enchanted axe, with Loki's knowledge, that can pierce Celestial armor, and used it on Apocalypse. What exactly is your point?
"The attack is intended to remove skull from spine. And were it not for the limberness born of his inebriation, it would have. "
Generations really did happen. It takes place years in the past, as specifically stated: https://imgur.com/a/XtQkdyv
Thor specifically references Uncanny #6, in which he first fought Apocalypse: https://imgur.com/a/E2MQSkl
You can see, at the end of the issue, after Jane goes back to the events of Secret Empire #10, showing Thor [still trying to lift the hammer] and Odin/Phoenix's love story both of which, is literally continued in mainstream titles (such as Marvel Legacy #1) https://imgur.com/a/w0ASP7L
Why are you still trolling?
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Are you getting stomped by somebody on comicvine and need help?
Raise a white flag.
Apocalypse was very weakened when he fought Stryfe, so whatever he'd be able to do at 100%, it's not applicable for that version of Apocalypse.
You were wrong to use that example.
Stop trolling
That's Kang,disguised as Loki, to manipulate Thor into creating the axe, which was later used against the Celestials, yes. It's evident by the same page where he gives Thor the knowledge [https://imgur.com/a/zMTCnPS] What is your point here? Why did you bring up the axe? What does this have to do with anything talked about here?
What the actual f*ck are you doing?
Being drunk allowed Thor to take Apocalypse's shot, when he specifically would have been crippled otherwise.
You're the one who brought up being drunk as a liability, when it was an advantage.
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Last edited by Philosophía on Feb 16th, 2019 at 01:45 PM
Been a while since I looked into it, but I could have swore that Apocalypse said Archangel was his, indicating it was the same dudes. They supposedly killed Apoc after so...
Definitely not out of the realm of possibility considering Stryfe wasn't exactly a world beater, it's just not something 616 Apoc did (or did he?).
If you ask me, is easier to restrain someone with a giant hand. Is even possible to theorize that Jane lost her conscience for some seconds (all went black). So, i dont think the Apocalypse feat put him ahead of Gladiator. If the Odison didnt come to help Jane, i think she could do something.
I agree that Gladiator cannot one shot Apocalypse with a bullrush to his head. But nothing is stoping him to do that over and over again.
If the fight against the young Thor, his slap was much stronger (or, affected Thor much worst) than the second fight. Odinson barely felt the attack from the giant hand.
We have much other stances where Apocalypse didnt had this level of strengh (break Thor spine with 1 hit), like his fight against Loki (who barely felt Apocalipse attacks) or even the fight against Ikaris (a guy who lost a h2h fight to Black Bolt).
But ok, this is a high-end Apocalypse. Still, i think Gladiator is more durable than this young Thor.
A "galaxy range" bullrush should be stronger than that, dont?
About Apocalypse other powers, i agree that he could win via BFR, but not in direct combat.
Apocalypse is not slow, but i dont think he is in Gladiator level of speed. Also, Gladiator hotter than sun eye beam is surely a good weapon in this fight. Apocalypse choose to dodge the beam from Ikaris. Imo the Gladiator attack is stronger.
PS: Sorry for the delay!
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Gladiator choked her out, while Apocalypse restrained her entire body with one hand. The latter takes considerably more strength than the former.
I don't see the Gladiator as the hit-and-run type. Besides, what's stopping Apocalypse from teleporting out of the way at some point? It's not like he's a pinata there, just waiting to get striked.
Apocalypse doesn't need to always strike Thor with spine breaking shots in order to prove his superiority over Gladiator, though. The overall point still remains - he is portrayed as considerably stronger than Thor, which is what needs to be shown in order to argue the same over Gladiator. He also looked very good against Ikaris [who he shapeshift-stabbed through], and against Loki it was a scuffle, not necessarily a serious fight, and even then floored him with a headbutt.
A nova corps member is, obviously, not as durable as Apocalypse. I don't understand your position in regards to Gladiator's attack on Heimdall, are you saying that he flew the entire galaxy, but he slowed down before hitting Heimdall? Furthermore, you're bringing up stuff like Ikaris and Loki, but you're ignoring the fact that Heimdall bloodied Gladiator in a hard fought fight, in the same example you're using: https://imgur.com/a/d5Jxj7U
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