Depends if we're talking about random/no-name Talons, or a specific noteworthy Talon like Calvin Rose. If the former, then yeah, I could realistically see them being MS-ish(HS at the absolute most), as guys like Batman and Bane have fodderized them without much trouble. If the latter, then I could see Calvin potentially being LM, as he did do very well against Bane and his Venom enhanced minions -- he'd certainly be no less than HS, imo. /shrug
On the topic of Talons(since we have a few empty slots open in this round of proposals), what about the Gotham Butcher(Felix Harmon)? MM?
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Captain Nazi- HM
Lord Satanus- Trans
Asmodel- HH
already mentioned
Nate Grey- HH
He absolutely is on this level imo, I see him beating almost all the mid herald except Captain Atom and Alex Nero. and He can beat a lot of the High Herald too, people like WW, Zatanna, Thor etc have no chance against him
Him being pure energy form meaning he will be very hard to kill. His Psi, TK, TP so powerful that it rival the likes of phoenix force
He can do ridiculous shit like freeze time, or enter planck length exist out of time and seeing everyone's past present future. or simply exist outside of reality
can teleport to other realities, Psi constructs that can hurt the likes of Thanos.
exist as pure astral energy, if his physical body dies his astral form can resurrects himself back
this is what he used to do, I heard he's even more powerful now though I didn't read his current uncanny x-men
Black Widow- MS
Bane (w Venom)- LM
Yeah he's way stronger than his pre-52 self. Though the meta tier is so stacked up and Street tiers need people
Talon- HS
Gotham Butcher (Felix Harmon)- defer
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-I see Nate as above all the characters mentioned, and FP Cable at the level or just superior to all of those.
-Punisher should definitely be HS as well. BW is above Tim Drake, and belongs in the same tier as Elektra and Daredevil, even if they rep the upper end of that tier.
- Right, depends on the Talon.
- Nate/Cable - I know you do, that's why you proposed it. I don't. I guess we'll see what the others say.
- I disagree about Black Widow above Tim Drake. Actually, given his equipment, I actually see it the reverse, and him a tier above her. I don't even see Black Widow as the top of her own tier, never mind in the next one - and if we have to start moving The Punisher, Moon Knight, Deadshot etc. to justify her, I'd rather not. A stalemate against Elektra [which, I'm assuming, is part of why you proposed her] doesn't make her high street, anymore than Catman stalemating Batman does.
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She's also beaten Crossbones and I think Punisher. Some people respect Punisher's h2h skills and other don't in his recent showing against Iron Fist it's pretty clear he could take him in h2h without him channeling the Iron Fist. Punisher was able to go up against the Avengers and did pretty well considering. So yeah Punisher and Black Widow deserve to be in HS, maybe I could even argue that Punisher desrves to be in low-meta due to standard equipment and his damage soak.
Not sure what Crossbones had been doing recently but he's got good showings as well.
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Stalemating Elektra is one example of Marvel treating Widow as a HS character. So is trashing Punisher, beating Crossbones, beating Lady Bullseye, being treated as clearly better than Fury. All of those are in MS.
Plus way better marksmanship feats, etc. Her old tier placing at LS pre-dated the MCU. She's practically a different character nowadays.
Then she lost the fight against him in close quarters, and used weapons from the environment, as he had his back turned and was walking towards the weapon, in order to win: https://imgur.com/a/eQLE1
Are these what you're referring to? The ones you call trashing?
OK maybe the second page is a bit hard to read with all those panel, but how did she own him? I mean she got knocked down at one point and you can see she's wounded.....
EDIT: Hate to say this but it looks like she almost lost the fight against Frank which Phil seems to be implying since she used weapons from the envinronment.
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I can reword: decisively beat, instead of trash? Punisher gets the jump on her, armed to the teeth, they trade blows in close quarters, and she disables him and wins. It's just clearly a tier above in terms of skill etc, although I'd push for Punisher to be HS anyways, largely because of his gear.
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