Remember how Kerry and Dukakis were branded "Massachusettes liberal? Or Kucinich being branded "anti-American" because he wanted to impeach Bush and Cheney for the PATRIOT ACT?"
Sanders would have suffered similar backlash.
Mondale and Carter even suffered from such rhetoric, as has Biden.
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Lmao. Bernie lost the popular vote in addition to the delegates. 80% of the black vote alone went to Biden over Bernie, which is substantial.
You can argue that the DNC had Biden prioritized for frontrunner all you want, but this narrative that "The People" wanted Bernie but were denied by the evil DNC is a meme.
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The idea that they rejected him because of his policies is false though. People didn’t vote for Biden for his policies, but because they believed that he was more electable against Trump. That believe was reinforced during Super Tuesday, when Warren and Sanders split the progressive vote.
That's a mighty big blanket statement for 19 million people.
edit- Good lord having actually looked up the figure I forgot how much of a absolute slaughter the democratic primary was for Biden v Sanders. 19 million votes vs 10 million, nearly twice as many Democrats voted for Biden over Bernie. And yet people still cling to the narrative that Bernie was sabotaged.
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It’s based on polls at the time, there was large agreement with Sander’s policies, and he was viewed overwhelmingly positive. He’s still a very popular politician, but many voters did name their priority to be electability and especially to get Trump out (which is understandable imo). And I’m not saying all people get like that, just that it was a significant factor in the outcome of the primaries.
As for the results in the end, you should remember that Sanders suspended his campaign long before the end of the primaries, during the ramping up of the Corona crisis, and when it seemed inevitable that he would lose. Of course that impacted the later contests.
I don’t subscribe to the narrative that Bernie was screwed over in this election really, just that the establishment fought hard, was more powerful and in the end won. I do wish there was media more favorable to him and his policies in the United States, but wishes don’t help with the reality.
That certainly was a gaffe, but I think it is clear that he didn’t mean that literally as it is interpreted, he’s been one of the strongest fighters for poor whites in the senate, and has a consistent record of voting and activism in that regard. What he meant, when looking at the context, is that white people generally don’t know the specific character of poverty that black people in poverty experience in the United States. And that’s true to some degree, of course.
Well, giving speeches is one tool a politician has, and sometimes the slots one gets are not the best of course, that is often the burden of those outside the mainstream of political opinion. For good or ill.
I think his policies are broadly good for poor of all stripes, whether that is white people trailer park, homeless or the many working poor. I’d even say they are generally beneficial to the so called middle class as well.
Doesn't matter if policies are good if you can't get in.
But also, that saying is the prime example of the current problem. White people feel marginalized, there issues do not exist and you do not have it bad.
I'm not disagree or agreeing but that's the understanding of why white nationalism is on the rise. They feel betlittled...and having a presedential candidate say to you "yeah...you are not actually poor..." is just fuel for it.
It's still important to look at the reasons why some politicians get in and others do not, as for example the complete media cooperation in demonizing Jeremy Corbyn and crowning Boris Johnson as Prime Minister.
I agree, although I am not sure that this particular gaffe has had much impact on the feelings of marginalized white people, as far as I can tell they generally see people like Clinton and Biden as their enemies, not so much Sanders outside of thinking he is a crazy communist.
Certainly, one way of looking at it. You could also say they feel marginalised because they have a sense of entitlement and have never bought into equality for all. The old "Hey Billy Bob, you're wife is on the game and you're an alcoholic".
"You're right Erroll but at least my old great grand pappi was never no field slave on no plantation". Amirite?
Maybe they do...maybe they do not. It doesn't really matter because it's not about who is right and who is wrong. It's their feelings and you cannot argue against them. The best bet is to understand them.
I have no idea what the makeup is for this group...I have assume some are downright bad....but I also think some were/are good people who got caught up in this. From what I read in the news and comments from various online platforms, a lot of people are getting screwed over by people in power (rich, elected leaders, corporations) and having people tell them "yeah, your problems are not actual problems, go **** yourself" is a recipe for shit like this.
But I think it's disingenuous to think this is all based on racism and a sense of white entitlement. They are major contributors for sure, will not disagree with that...but it seems to more than just that.
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