Depends on the superspeed. If the dude is like lightspeed fast then no, but if the kid is comics Flash fast, then I don't see why I couldn't trip the kid and kick him in the face or something.
Kid would probably run into a wall at some point and knock himself out. They're uncoordinated messes that make Rough N Rowdy boys look like tight rope walkers.
Wolverine isn't nearly the hero Superman is. You're ignoring Weapon Hs character, and saying he's going for the killing blow on a hero who he knows has no HF. That's powerset debating.
Edit: and at the same time, Superman WOULDN'T attempt to dodge, and will let himself be chopped in half. Cut once, sure. Twice, three , four times? Come on.
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The problem is perception. Superman would perceive Weapon H almost frozen in time (think of the diner scene). As long as there is room to move around then it doesn't matter.
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i think pr sees what i'm trying to say. in character, superman almost never--really NEVER--accelerates his senses. and we've seen him actively have to switch to hyper sense mode. i guess my question revolves more around what should be considered 'in character'. i would argue that 'in character' superman would NOT accelerate his senses--at least not immediately, in nearly any forum fight. how do we define 'in character'? by what is seen in comics of course. if he doesn't see people as statues in 99.999999% of cases, how can it be considered 'in character' for him to do so here? or better, how is it not OUT of character to suggest he WOULD see wh as a statue?
full capacity is only mitigated by cis in the forum. if we don't use cis as intended, then all we do is debate power sets. i would argue it isn't PIS or stupidity that prevents superman from seeing everyone as statues--it is habit gained from years interacting with normal people. and those interactions DEFINE his character, full capacity, IMO, gets abused here in the forum at the expense of on panel character.
meh, maybe i'm just getting old but it feels at times that we are more and more ignoring the clear depictions we see over and again in the very sources that we draw....everything from.
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@ds: i can get behind that, and i agree wh wouldn't go for a killing blow from the start. but he may get in a blow that incapacitates superman somewhat. maybe slows him down? but yes, once he realizes what's going on, it is absolutely reasonable to assume superman would speed up. go full hyper senses ala flash? not sure about that.... he might even start the match with a blitz--as far as that would go in this setting. i just disagree with phil's assessment that he would start the fight seeing wh as a statue when he very literally almost never, ever starts that way--or sees the world that way on a regular basis.
despite my....egging the thread on early, superman can of course win this fight. in this very small enclosed space though i do wonder if superman has any feats to support his use of i'm-unhittable-levels of speed. wh has ALL of weapon x's powers which includes super senses and at least a degree of superspeed himself as well, and we've seen logan can and has hit speedsters in the past. throw in the skill and hf here, and i don't think we can just ASSUME superman, in this scenario, can remain completely untouchable. /shrug
On paper, Superman would be cut in half by Weapon H if hit. But Weapon H, should be a statue to Superman.
Weapon H's claws f*cking Superman up is more likely than Superman operating at a pace where the world is frozen in time based on comic book track records. People are running a bit overboard here. I think Superman's speed will be used to trump Weapon H's superior offensive capabilities and keep him out of range, that's about it. It's like arguing Jane will spam the Motherstorm in every thread (Based on percentages, she's used it far more often compared to this level of speed for Superman).
BECAUSE Weapon H's claws can kill Superman, Superman is by nature more likely to use super-speed. As a result, I think this is a stalemate or I guess edge to Weapon H on most days.
Also, with an Adamantium Skeleton and Hulk's durability, Weapon H should be harder to put down than Juggernaut. Tbh, in a comic book penned by Pak, Weapon H would beat Hulk, Superman and Thor at the same time as he is Pak's current favourite character atm.
I am also convinced Pak is 5 years old. Wolverine + Hulk amalgmation? Smh.
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Superman and WW can perceive very fast objects (like bullets) 100% of the time.
If you write Superman with that level of perception all the time in a comic then you would have a problem with adversity (as most characters aren't fast).
Superman is not dumb (in character). If someone possess great strength with cutting weapons that can kill him then why would he choose not to use his speed and perception to avoid being hit? He would literally have to be dumb (which he's not). Character's do dumb shit in comics (contradicting their intelligence) because of the plot, not because of their character.
CIS is based off a character's actual intelligence and style of fighting (that does not contradict their intelligence).
Would anybody, on this entire forum, ever not use his superspeed to not get hit?
I'm not arguing that he lobotomizes him through the brain, or IMPS him, or vibrates his hand inside his heart, or BFRs him by changing his vibrations. I'm not even arguing he vibrates intangible.
Why doesn't he simply use the most low-level usage of his abilities, the one everybody on this planet Earth would know to use. and neutralize the opponent, that he specifically has basic knowledge and has to beat, at full capacity ?
Why are we treating him like he's retarded?
Scratch that. I think retarded is too weak of a word. That's just around 70 IQ. He'd have to be a single digit.
I mean if we can't agree that "dodging is good. getting hit is bad." in regards, to Superman, well...
This is a faulty premise.
He always perceives and reacts to events that takes place in fractions of time while he is not "accelerated"
It's why, even while he is in "normal" speed, he is able to hear bullets, react, travel to the other side of the town, and catch it [numerous examples]
If the numerous examples are not enough, remember that scene of him "switching" to superspeed against Barry? The "hyper sense" mode? I'll let the writer explain it:
Even IF Superman is below-retarded and doesn't start the match seeing him as a statue, the moment a threat emerges [like an attack], he...simply perceives and reacts to it, and switches on to him being a statue.
I legitimately feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Do we really have to make Superman a goose IQ in order to make threads fair?
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Spiderman and Captain America can see bullets in slow motion as well and Wolverine and Daredevil can still tag them. Debating powerset completely diminish the use of scans.
Even when forced to fight the Hulk, he cut Banner's face with the blunt side of the claws (only their tips are sharp there), instead of doing it properly and chopping his skull to pieces.