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Tzeentch
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That looks like absolute garbage, haha


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.........Why?

What next? Diamond Stormtrooper?....

No, next is platinum, then diamond.


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Originally posted by Tzeentch
That looks like absolute garbage, haha


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Originally posted by Zenwolf
.........Why?

What next? Diamond Stormtrooper?....


Only if the Diamond Stormtrooper is bi-curious and gender-fluid.

And its name will be General Que'er and it wield a stun-baton and have a 15 minute pointless duel against Rose Tico in Episode 9.

And God-willing, no one will go see it.

Then Disney sells the franchise, and we get the real Star Wars back.


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Galan007
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Originally posted by Zenwolf
.........Why?

What next? Diamond Stormtrooper?....
Right? Pyre looks like the Mexican Cartel's version of a Stormtrooper. thumb down

I think the 'logic' was to have the gold armor in contrast to Phasma's silver armor... But it doesn't really make sense because Phasma outranked Pyre... Yes, a Captain outranked a Commander, and silver outranked gold. Don't get it.

But yeah, either way it's a thing and you can expect to see a lot more of Pyre in canon, I'd wager.


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Right? Pyre looks like the Mexican Cartel's version of a Stormtrooper. thumb down

I think the 'logic' was to have the gold armor in contrast to Phasma's silver armor... But it doesn't really make sense because Phasma outranked Pyre... Yes, a Captain outranked a Commander, and gold outranked silver. Don't get it.

But yeah, either way it's a thing and you can expect to see a lot more of Pyre in canon, I'd wager.


confused confused confused


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Mendax
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Originally posted by Galan007
Oh, Commander Pyre is 100% real:

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He plays a big role in Resistance, lol.
Ya thats pretty bad. I get it but I dont get it. confused


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I'd be more inclined to get it if Pyre outranked Phasma. Like I mentioned above, it would at least make some degree of sense if a Commander outranked a Captain, and/or gold outranked silver. But I digress...

Fun fact- even Pyre's primary weapon is obnoxiously gold-plated:

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Also apparently according to TFA Visual Guide, Phasma has a higher rank than Captain, so guess she can outrank Pyre, although she is called Captain...but isn't a Captain.


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Indeed.

It is also stated that Phasma(along with Kylo and Hux) made up the First Order's commanding triumvirate. So regardless of her designated title, Phasma was still one of the FO's top 3 commanders.

...Not unlike Tarkin in that sense. Doesn't matter what you call the guy(be it 'Governor' or 'Moff'), he was still the Empire's second highest ranking official, period.


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But Tarkin made some semblance of...sense, he was a Grand Moff. Captain Phasma is a Captain...isn't a Captain. Unless Captain means something different within the FO ranks, but I haven't seen anything suggesting that and we haven't really seen Phasma do much.


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Right. But even in Tarkin's case the titles of Governor and Grand Moff aren't even military designations, yet he reigned supreme in both political AND military venues nonetheless. So in that respect his official title within the Empire was irrelevant. At the end of the day all that mattered was the amount of power Sheev vested in him(ie. the ability to command ANY setting, and even total authority over Vader himself.)

Same basic thing(albeit to a lesser degree) with Phasma. On paper she 'just' held the title of Captain, yet she was still the third highest ranking member of the First Order's high-command regardless.


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I just can't take it seriously, they should have just had her title be something else. Captain just...I dunno, if she has another title then I guess it's fine.

Still the gold plated Stormtrooper armor....nooo.


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Oh it's definitely stupid. I'm just trying to make some semblance of sense out of it, lol.


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Galan007
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Since this is relevant to the discussion, here's the mentioned excerpt from the TFA Visual Dictionary regarding Phasma's actual rank within the FO's command structure...

https://i.imgur.com/YJy3ai1.jpg
"Phasma's true rank is higher than the simplistic label 'Captain' would suggest."

But again, if she ranks far higher than a Captain... Why not just give her the actual rank/title she is? confused

At least in Hux's case the Visual Dictionary notes that he is technically higher-ranking than a General, given his immense authority and whatnot, but Snoke simply refuses to grant him a higher rank/title.


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I like how Disney has absolutely no clue of what it's doing.


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Originally posted by Galan007
Since this is relevant to the discussion, here's the mentioned excerpt from the TFA Visual Dictionary regarding Phasma's actual rank within the FO's command structure...

https://i.imgur.com/YJy3ai1.jpg
"Phasma's true rank is higher than the simplistic label 'Captain' would suggest."

But again, if she ranks far higher than a Captain... Why not just give her the actual rank/title she is? confused

At least in Hux's case the Visual Dictionary notes that he is technically higher-ranking than a General, given his immense authority and whatnot, but Snoke simply refuses to grant him a higher rank/title.
Interesting. I never heard that before- thought General was as high as it got in Hux's case. Do you have a source?


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I like how Disney has absolutely no clue of what it's doing.
Like them or not, Disney knows exactly what they're doing. Good or bad, all of the decisions they make are calculated.

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Interesting. I never heard that before- thought General was as high as it got in Hux's case. Do you have a source?

https://i.imgur.com/npih3Zz.jpg
"Hux's direct access to Snoke effectively gives him a rank higher than General. However, Snoke refuses to grant Hux his desired title of 'Grand Marshal'."


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Like them or not, Disney knows exactly what they're doing. Good or bad, all of the decisions they make are calculated.

roll eyes (sarcastic) They must be trying to lose money on purpose, then.

Did they calculate in that $50,000,000 they lost from Solo?


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Honestly, that is a drop in the bucket for them.


...Not that Solo wasn't a shit film, because it definitely was.


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