I might stop someone who wants to mass murder more quickly and doesn't know how to 'bump' the gun by other means. But even that's an extremely long shot. So it's basically nothing in the short run but empty appeasement.
In the long run though (and why the NRA is upset), this could be used as a springboard for other bans, specifically if/when someone like Elizabeth Warren wins in 2020.
The next POTUS also now has the precedent (you can thank Trump for this) to declare a National Emergency on gun violence whenever another incel shoots up a school, Temple or Mosque and really use their executive powers (especially with a Blue Congress backing them) to drop the ban-hammer on guns, like assault rifles or any semi-auto above a certain caliber or any gun with certain ammo capacity. Use your imagination of what could be done now that Trump set the precedent.
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That is actually disturbing.
I remember Nancy Pelosi fantasizing about doing exactly that when conversations on the whole emergency thing started, and I'm not really a fan of the precedent this sets.
That being said, hopefully the Judiciary can hold back such a move.
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The funny thing to me is that mass shootings just make for dramatic news thus the gun debate focuses around them even though they aren't even a fraction of a fraction of the shootings in this country.
I think some sort of registry could be much more effective at controlling illegal guns than these symbolic bans of scary looking guns will be at curbing mass shootings. And illegal guns are a much bigger and more real danger imo.
Too late, buddy. Precedent has been set by Trump (and his cult) and dead people in mass; especially children, outright screams "National Emergency! We. Gotta. Do. Something!" and now that can be done starting in 2021.
edit: put a pin in your mind on this, this will absolutely be a thing once Trump is out of office.
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Assuming he loses in 2020, and assuming the Courts don't shut it down.
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He's likely losing in 2020, but even if he wins again which is certainly a possibility, the precedent is set for the Dem in 2024. People are not just going to forget when Trump cried the National Emergency wolf.
Yeah, the courts will be the bulwark. But you never know how they'll swing in a particular political environment.
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He may very well lose, I just don't see it as the more likely outcome personally.
I do very much agree with Ben Shapiro on the national emergency thing that it's a bad idea because of the precedent it sets.
I do think the courts have more of an interest in the protection of the second amendment and the rights of citizens than they do in border security funding though. That sounds like it hits closer to home constitutionally
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Could be gun control.. could be climate change... I would be willing to bet if it stands then it will not be the last time this tactic is used. It's not about border security or whatever specific issue it's used for. It's about undermining the role of Congress and expanding executive power.
Fair enough. My opinion on Trump's chances could likely change in his favor depending on were the country is a year+ from now and who is running against him, as both will be huge factors.
Shapiro got that from me.
I do agree with you there, but again, depends on the climate and dead bodies pull at the emotion trigger. When Sandy Hook happened (not a false flag), a massacre of well-to-do white kids and nothing changed, I figured we'd never get serious gun reform, because if it was going to happen, it'd have happened then. But we're in a different era now and who knows, especially with flippant National Emergency powers precedents being set. It's defo coming down the line though, mark your calendar.
I'm just saying I won't venture to guess specifically what type of issue is tackled, I am just more confident that the national emergency tactic is going to be too tempting not to use for either given side of the isle. Could very well be another Republican that exploits it next. That's almost besides the point to me.
I honestly don't see a civil war breaking out if massive gun reform is passed. Sure, they'll be incidents of violence with certain NRA fanatic types here and there, but even if say assault (aka "sport") rifles like an AR-15 style are outright banned, majority of owners will shed their tears, not blood.
You don't get exposed to the people who will literally start killing over this. There are tons in the Midwest and Southern States. Millions. It's not a joke at all. I am not fear mongering. This is a legit problem and it is getting further and further out of hand.
They've been sabre rattling for years and years. Most of Obama's presidency. Heard many a time that a "race war" was coming after Obama's win in 2008. But we survived not doing that.
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Maybe I'm wrong. But when push comes to shove, the very vast majority will shed tears and not blood. Some unhinged types will kill though and that's tragic.
No, not even close to what it is, now. Those convos went from, "He's a Muslim" to "I'm stockpiling guns and ammo so we can wage a war if they keep this up."
You underestimate the bitterness and anger from the liberty-loving-gun-toting-southerners.
Nothing wrong with that at all. It's probably better that you aren't exposed to racist redneck types all the time especially your children.
You could be right but all it takes is a militia of 2 million to be loosely organized all over the US and for all political opponents or their families to be eliminated over night.
I don't think the DHS has considered this scenario and if they have, it's classified.
To show you, gun rights vs. gun control has been changing a lot, lately. With gun control support dropping and gun rights increasing:
I tend to doubt a massive armed rebellion for something like Ar15 being banned. If they banned all guns that is another story. I think any such rebellion will be crushed mercilessly and it will just bring us one step closer to a complete police state.
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