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Consider the Following: Incels in Japan vs USA

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I see many of the threads seeming to blame incels for all violent, anti-social acts committed in western societies. For some reason, many have a confirmation bias where mass shooters are classified as incels if they ever state having difficulty holding relationships. Hence, many make the assumption that most incels are violence-prone individuals who may snap at anytime.


I would like to point to Japan, arguably the country with the highest number of virgins (and correspondingly the lowest birth rate). Appx 42% of men and 44.5% of females between the ages of 18 and 34 in Japan are are virgins.

Approximately 85+% percent of those surveyed stated that they wish for a relationship, so you cannot state these people choose to remain celibate. They are by definition, incels.

Yet in spite of this, Japan has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the world. You don't see disgruntled virgins shooting up crowds of women, attacking mosques, etc.


Perhaps there is more to the issue of violence in American and other western societies than men simply being unable to get into a relationship?

Maybe it has something to do with individualist societies spreading the message that single people are losers and rejects?

Maybe it has to do with a bigger problem of overall disconnection in Western societies?


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'incel' is a belief structure, not the simple lack of sex.

In Japan there is no popular radicalized internet cult which blames all of it's problems, failures, and shortcomings on women


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Or maybe it's because the concepts of honour and shame influence people's action in Japan more than they do in the US.


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Or maybe it's because the concepts of honour and shame influence people's action in Japan more than they do in the US.


That's right in Japan "incels" don't kill other people, they kill themselves.

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'incel' is a belief structure, not the simple lack of sex.

In Japan there is no popular radicalized internet cult which blames all of it's problems, failures, and shortcomings on women

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Japan is also a very homogenous society that has no Abrahamic religion.


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Originally posted by Bashar Teg
'incel' is a belief structure, not the simple lack of sex.

In Japan there is no popular radicalized internet cult which blames all of it's problems, failures, and shortcomings on women

The thing is, if incel ideology is an internet culture, which in turn is accessible from anywhere in the free-world, why don't Japanese incels adopt it?

Certainly it is not far fetched to suggest that many have at least been exposed to it on the interwebs.

There has to be something causing this that is unique specifically to individualist western society that incel ideology appeals to.


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No (or more accurately very little) identity politics likely plays a large part.

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Maybe incel beliefs aren't compatible with Japanese culture. maybe they just own their failures instead of using them to validate the scapegoating and oppression of women.


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Incels are not just men who can't get laid; they are men who hate women and usually talk shit about them on the internet. Often on twitter, reddit and forums like this.

Instead of realising the reason they can't get laid is intrinsic to themselves.

Incels who share incel ideology, are predominantly white and feel the world owes them something.

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Originally posted by Bashar Teg
'incel' is a belief structure, not the simple lack of sex.

In Japan there is no popular radicalized internet cult which blames all of it's problems, failures, and shortcomings on women



You never know, it might exist.. Just not on any of the forums we frequent.



If it doesn't exist, that "could" point to other systemic differences of culture. For example, in Europe and the US, there's the "rat race" mentality, where everyone habitually attacks everyone else in the pecking order on one hand, while flaunting success on the other. That breeds a lot of contempt and resentment on all sides (I mean, just listen to the news. It's all about the anger, 24/7. All they do is push buttons.)


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Maybe incel beliefs aren't compatible with Japanese culture. maybe they own their failures instead of using them to validate the scapegoating and oppression of women.
I think this is the truth. I used to visit comicvine and some of the guys there were definitely Incels. I think many Incels use the Internet for brotherhood.

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Maybe incel beliefs aren't compatible with Japanese culture. maybe they just own their failures instead of using them to validate the scapegoating and oppression of women.
This isn't true. Japanese people are terrible at taking responsibility or admitting fault.

Japanese culture sucks. thumb down

Kill nippon.


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This isn't true. Japanese people are terrible at taking responsibility or admitting fault.

Japanese culture sucks. thumb down

Kill nippon.
But Japanese men, drink and commit suicide rather than ***** about women on the internet and kill people.

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But Japanese men, drink and commit suicide rather than ***** about women on the internet and kill people.
That's true, but idk about you but I'd rather kill other people or rape women then kill myself. The latter is far more pathetic than the former. thumb up


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That's true, but idk about you, but I'd rather kill other people or rape women then kill myself. The latter is far more pathetic than the former. thumb up
I think 9 out of 10 times people on an incel murder spree end up dead after making a futile and evil gesture. Imagine how there mother, father and siblings get treated too.

Does this forum have any obvious Incels who could add input to this thread?

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I think 9 out of 10 times people on an incel murder spree end up dead after making a futile and evil gesture. Imagine how there mother, father and siblings get treated too.

Does this forum have any obvious Incels who could add input to this thread?
Ah they're just overstepping their boundaries, most incels are perfectly able to rape and occasionally kill in moderation.


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Ah they're just overstepping their boundaries, most incels are perfectly able to rape and occasionally kill in moderation.
laughing out loud

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This isn't true. Japanese people are terrible at taking responsibility or admitting fault.

Japanese culture sucks. thumb down

Kill nippon.
Filthy gaijin will pay for disrespecting Nippon. Teno Heika Banzai!


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Originally posted by NemeBro
This isn't true. Japanese people are terrible at taking responsibility or admitting fault.

Japanese culture sucks. thumb down

Kill nippon.


Isn't it all about the seniority, or something?

I remember reading something about a very popular, very successful wrestler who basically had to shine the shoes of his nobody elders, all because of the age and seniority differences.


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