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I already provided that evidence with the video and lists of her prophecies. She knew about the fall of the Republic, the Sith Empire, the Mandalorians and Sidious - but she was being intentionally-cryptic.
Which is written by in-universe historians who didn't even know Darth Nihilus existed.
And Darth Nihilus's planet-level-durability, ability to TK entire fleets of warships and ability to kill all life on a planet in seconds, with no rituals or sacrifices is far beyond anything Valkorion is capable of.
Darth Nihilus is vastly more powerful than Valkorion on his best day.
Plus when Nihilus showed up and killed Valkorion and reduced Dromund Kaas to a lifeless world, the historians would quickly correct their mistake and re-list Darth Nihilus as the most powerful Sith Lord, before he killed them.
Darth Nihilus's Drain will devour the Force Energy of Valkorion's form - so his body AND Force-energy will die as well.
And even if he survived the Drain, which he wouldn't, Nihilus still shrugged off a super-weapon that ripped a planet into pieces and Valkorion's energy isn't shown to have even %1 of that power.
So Valkorion dies easily either way.
See above.
Kreia's already foresaw Nihilus annihilating the Sith Empire - meaning there is nothing the Sith could do one way or another - and Nihilus can always drain fighters/warships at a range of several hundred miles at least.
Accordingly, the Sith would be dead before they realized what they were actually dealing with.
I can tell you haven't played KotoR II in a long time - Nihilus doesn't need to draw power from the Ravager and doesn't need the Ravager for any of his abilities.
The part of the game you're reading from the Game Guide occurs after Nihilus has attempted to drain Meetra Surik (a Force Wound).
Before Nihilus tries to Drain Meetra Surik, Visas tells you that you have 0% chance of surviving - and if you fight Nihilus anyway - he kills you and your whole party easily.
You should do your research better.
The only thing that is SUSPECT is your knowledge of Jedi and Sith lore.
Nihilus can kill every living thing on a planet in seconds - he doesn't need to destroy structures or blast planets into ruin.
We've already seen that on Katarr.
No offense intended, but you really sound mentally-challenged.
You're saying that Valkorion's need for intricate rituals and machines to destroy a world - is superior to Darth Nihilus, when Darth Nihilus can do the same thing with 0 rituals needed, 0 sacrifices, 0 machines and accomplish it literally in seconds?
Sorry kid, you might just be in Special-Education, and if true, you have my sympathies.
It is Darth Nihilus who is then literally Valkorion's superior in literally every aspect.
What are you trying to say? Jesus Christ.
I'm considering not wasting my time with you.
Not only did Kreia not suspect - but actually knew the Sith Empire existed - and she also foresaw that Darth Nihilus would annihilate it as well.
Her direct knowledge of Valkorion makes little difference, because she knew Darth Nihilus was going to annihilate them all regardless of who their leader was.
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Indeed everyone on the surface died, and the only survivors orbited the planet in ships.
And Nihilus was able to TK a warship afterwards - which is by itself a telekinetic feat beyond anything Valkorion or Sidious have done, so yes, he was already very strong.
And he did all that before even being taught by Kreia.
Sorry, 'Tard. You lose again.
I enjoyed taking apart your largely unsubstantiated argument piece by piece.
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You haven't done shit, except make yourself look mentally-challenged and thoroughly humiliated yourself.
I've been laughing at you and your futile argument this entire time.
You have proven without a shadow of a doubt that Darth Nihilus is indeed the most powerful Sith Lord that ever existed.
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Lol, seriously?
I gave him a debate - he did the following:
1. Insult me repeatedly, after I made attempts to be gentle and civil, even when it became noticeable that his posts were starting to border on the retarded-side.
2. Use in-universe statements written by biased-historians with limited knowledge on galactic events to make inaccurate claims about Valkorion - something even you guys have taken him to task about in the past.
3. Used an argument from a Strategy Guide based on something that happened after Nihilus used Drain on Meetra Surik - this made him look like an idiot, but I was gentle about it.
4. In general used statements that were incoherent to attempt to make a point and failed multiple times.
All the while I laid out factual information and at least attempted to be gentle and polite.
I debated while he talked like a Mongoloid, and you seriously think I wasn't giving him a debate? Seriously?
I was the only one debating in that exchange.
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Like others have said, this is what would have happened if Nihilus did not stop eating planets. This is mentioned in the DS route when Traya says Nihilus will reach the peak of his power if he is not stopped. But, I do have Nihilus higher than others. I just dunno how to rank him.
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LeG ragdolling. Cavedude is clearly in denial. Vitiate>Nihilus.
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Your quote says Nihilus could have destroyed the galaxy and the Sith Empire but that is in the future and obviously doesn't reflect Nihilus's power as of KOTOR 2. Of course if Nihilus drained more worlds he'd eventually surpass Vitiae but that does not mean he had as of KOTOR 2 nor is it relevant. I could easily claim that Vitiate could one shot Nihilus if we gave him the time to gather the power to (e.g. give him time to drain some worlds) but that doesn't mean Vitiate is greater than Nihilus. The exact same principle applies here.
So in other words we have to look at actual feats in which Vitiate clearly outdoes Nihilus. The devastation Vitiate caused while in his highly weakened spirit form is above anything I've seen from Nihilus.
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Also it's painfully ironic of you to call people fanboys when you've admitted you hate TOR and love KOTOR 2.
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Registered: Feb 2013
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I don't need to be a fan of Darth Nihilus to know that he simultaneously wrecks Sidious and Vitiate/Valkorion.
You whiny crybaby Sidious and Valkorion worshipers are the fanboys, because you know your arguments are wrong and that Nihilus would own any Sith Lord or Jedi Master that exists, but you don't care and want to waste my time with moronic arguments and then you cry when you lose.
Darth Nihilus is the most powerful Sith Lord that ever existed, Sweetie. That's just how it is.
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