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MrMind
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Watchmen and V are their own thing.

The Doomsday fight had awful CGI --- something you were just complaining about and forgot stick out tongue Or you're telling me WW84's CGI is even worse? If so, wow.

Anyway, since you mentioned fights, it's important to note that Nolan's trilogy as a whole had the worst fight choreography in the history of cinema.


I only like dark knight in the trilogy

it was 12 years ago

during that era marvel fans was still appreciating norton's version of hulk and this guy lol

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Wrong.

We had Iron Man 12 years ago.

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great movie


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Not pleased.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Superhero movies usually have a lot of world threat, but it also tried to keep distance with real world ppl because superheroes, at least most of them don't fit well with real world. Like the first WW movie was set in WWI but didn't involve too much with the real world politics and the war. The 2nd obviously made a mistake on it.

It tried to set upon so many nations and ppl's greed but in real life it was a HUGE mess which you cannot sum as a whole, nor can it be solved easily. So step into it is a huge NO for the movie. The movie obviously didn't focus too much on all these people, how their lives were, what problem did they encounter, so their wishes look very vague. Not to say they all just make wishes instead of thinking about take away Maxwell to make him serve one person only. Like Piccolo killed Shenglong after his wish. So the whole theme only looks ridiculous and wasn't convincing at showing humanity's darkness or light at all.

The villains were heavily focused, but wasn't executed well.

Maxwell was too cartoonish, yes we got where his idea come from and what his weakness was, but his downfall was not strong enough, he didn't become evil enough to show humans' greed. And I don't see it convincing for him to renounce his wish when he didn't even care about the world burn. Even if he really cared about his son, he had such power and could easily ensure his son's safety, how did he know that his son would be safe if he took it back? We all know who he was based upon, but I won't say they did a good job.

Barbara was a even bigger problem. She received such good characterization in the first half, her corruption made perfect sense yes. But in the later 1/3 of the plot. Her logic and character just crumbled.

WHY did she not only protect Maxwell but also helped him to grant wishes? She wanted to be elite or even NO.1 one, won't let everyone else have their wishes hurt her own? Like if that creep got his wish against her, wouldn't it be bad? Logic just doesn't apply here. She should have grabbed him away, lock him up and make sure other ppl won't be able to use him. So was many other ppl but since she is the main villain that becomes a huge issue.

Her whitewash(is it so?) in the end also made little sense to me. She got saved by Diana earlier and she didn't just thank her but wanted to be powerful, and even beat Diana a lot of times rather than keep peace with her savior. In the end she already became such a powerful predator with most of her humanity has lost, got beaten and saved by Diana would only hurt her pride more, why would she cease fighting at all?

Since both villains' action and logic went unconvincing in the end, the climax seems really weak. The first movie didn't have good action but the logic applies and the character development was there. This one, overall is a huge disappointment to me.

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is this worth watching via torrent or hbomax/theater



No one here really seems to be selling it.

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Go use HBO.

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Go use HBO.



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No one here really seems to be selling it.
It's worth watching imo even in the theater. Like I said it's comparable to Iron Man 2 and Thor 2 probaby better I guess.


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Why can't they use someone like Faora to have a real intense fight with WW?

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or anybody else for the matter, like Circe


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I was about to suggest Circe, lol.


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or anybody else for the matter, like Circe


I prefer no because most of the movie magic fight sucks.

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Faora is not interesting enough to be the entire main villain she could be one of the side villain in the movie, she's powerful, but one dimensional


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Are you guys talking about Faora from Man of Steel?


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Well aside from the 3rd act with the Cheetah fight being kind the bad the movie itself was alright.

Not on par with Shazam or Joker in terms of DCEU movie rankings IMO but worth a watch if you theaters are still open or if you are gifted a free trial of HBO Max wherever you are.

I feel other actors still have to support some of Gadot's scenes but its not as often as the first movie. The characterization of WW is still spot on.

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Well aside from the 3rd act with the Cheetah fight being kind the bad the movie itself was alright.

Not on par with Shazam or Joker in terms of DCEU movie rankings IMO but worth a watch if you theaters are still open or if you are gifted a free trial of HBO Max wherever you are.

I feel other actors still have to support some of Gadot's scenes but its not as often as the first movie. The characterization of WW is still spot on.


What are you talking about? Cheetah' later action doesn't even make sense.

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Faora is not interesting enough to be the entire main villain she could be one of the side villain in the movie, she's powerful, but one dimensional


It depends on how you expand her character. She does have potential, but I mentioned her mostly to bring a good fight.

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I honestly am baffled where did the 200 millions budget go? because the special effect of the movie is so meh


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I honestly am baffled where did the 200 millions budget go? because the special effect of the movie is so meh


It was set on 1984 and there were so many places, so a lot of it has to be used on the setting.

Lynda Carter's series once almost got cancelled because of such cost.

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It was set on 1984 and there were so many places, so a lot of it has to be used on the setting.

Lynda Carter's series once almost got cancelled because of such cost.


its such a waste of money to squander it on setups

especially since 80s fashion and desgin is so tacky and cheap


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