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Originally posted by Psychotron
He has already been under the Sun for 30+ years. I don't think there's a reason to think another 2-3 years would make him so much more powerful than before. Like I said, he was already performing unquantifiable strength feats in MoS. I think it's much like the comics, Superman has to push himself into super speed mode consciously, which is why he's not always operating at Flash-level speeds.
Pure speculative bias.


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She fought Doomsday solo when Superman went to save Lois.

Yeah and she was getting tagged a lot. If it wasn't for that shield she'd be a bloody smear.



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The key part there is bulrush. In actual H2H she was dancing around him. We never saw him run/move at the speeds she did, sans flying.

There was a clear difference in speed portrayal and time perception between this, BvS and JL. Like a HUGE difference. There simply no getting around that.

Yeah, there's this thing called muscle memory that comes with H2H training. Your body basically moves on its own in pre-trained patterns. An untrained person thinks before every move, a trained person moves automatically and is much faster as a result. You could put Usain Bolt against a journeyman boxer and Bolt would never be able to touch him despite being much faster. Faora's reflexes were sharper than Clark's because of that. Hell, that's probably the first fight Superman has ever been in. Plus, let's be honest. We both know Superman was holding back until he got a pissed and charged her. At that point she needed Nam-Ek to even the odds.





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I mean the sunlight visually healed all his scars and injuries. But okay thats a slight possibility I guess. But its very speculative given the visual evidence of his healed injuries.

Maybe but it's worth pointing out.

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Pure speculative bias.

That's your area.

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Claiming that would kill WW is speculative nonsense. Debate based off facts not what you want to happen.


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Claiming that would kill WW is speculative nonsense. Debate based off facts not what you want to happen.


Superman flattened Wonder Woman with a headbutt. Doomsday is more powerful than Superman.

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Superman flattened Wonder Woman with a headbutt. Doomsday is more powerful than Superman.
She had no injuries and was fine. He used two head butts along with leverage and momentum. Yes, he is but he did not flatten anyone so claiming that attack would is just your bias.


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She had no injuries and was fine. He used two head butts along with leverage and momentum. Yes, he is but he did not flatten anyone so claiming that attack would is just your bias.


He took her out of the fight with that headbutt. She was unable to continue fighting. That's a forum win. Do all the mental gymnastics you want but Doomsday > Superman >>>> Wonder Woman.

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Something to consider: WW's performance against DD was assisted in no small part by her weapons and gear... stuff that she won't have in this fight.


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He took her out of the fight with that headbutt. She was unable to continue fighting. That's a forum win. Do all the mental gymnastics you want but Doomsday > Superman >>>> Wonder Woman.
She was fine. If you consider this akin to a fight in which she is begging him to stop and his blows do not ko anyone.


Superman never took on an all out WW. Much more skilled and she has the weaponry and strength to sever Doomsday his superiors limb. Lucky Superman never had to fight an all out version.


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Something to consider: WW's performance against DD was assisted in no small part by her weapons and gear... stuff that she won't have in this fight.
Skill and strength were a part of her feats not just her weapons. No one is saying she cuts Faoras limbs off.


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She was fine. If you consider this akin to a fight in which she is begging him to stop and his blows do not ko anyone.


Superman never took on an all out WW. Much more skilled and she has the weaponry and strength to sever Doomsday his superiors limb. Lucky Superman never had to fight an all out version.


She was fine? She was down for minutes. That's a bad KO in any combat sport.

WW was a statue to him. She can't do shit to him and she tried her ultimate attack on him by the way. It was futile because she's too slow.

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She was fine? She was down for minutes. That's a bad KO in any combat sport.

WW was a statue to him. She can't do shit to him and she tried her ultimate attack on him by the way. It was futile because she's too slow.
No, it was not minutes and we do not see her to verify.

She hit him with her shield, lassod him, and head butted him. If you want to ignore all the attacks she landed successfully and play make believe by all means continue to drool and pretend.


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Skill and strength were a part of her feats not just her weapons. No one is saying she cuts Faoras limbs off.


No, but a lot of her ability to survive DD's blows were due to her blocking them with either her shield or her bracers. Stuff that she doesn't have here. She even used her shield to trip up DD.


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No, but a lot of her ability to survive DD's blows were due to her blocking them with either her shield or her bracers. Stuff that she doesn't have here. She even used her shield to trip up DD.
Yes, but her skill is definitely displayed.


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Yes, but her skill is definitely displayed.



A bit but not a lot. For one, DD is not exactly a skilled fighter. Two, Wonder Woman had weapons and teammates fighting against an opponent who was unarmed and alone. She had pretty much all the advantages.

That said, I don't think Faora could have defeated DD either, I just think that fight is a bad feat to base WW's fighting skill on.


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A bit but not a lot. For one, DD is not exactly a skilled fighter. Two, Wonder Woman had weapons and teammates fighting against an opponent who was unarmed and alone. She had pretty much all the advantages.

That said, I don't think Faora could have defeated DD either, I just think that fight is a bad feat to base WW's fighting skill on.
Faora had help against a hampered and unconfidenr Superman. WW still fought DD by herself for quite some time. You can pull off her skill from all her fights. Why does everyone try to make it so black and white. She displays skill in every fight she has been in.


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Faora had help against a hampered and unconfidenr Superman. WW still fought DD by herself for quite some time. You can pull off her skill from all her fights. Why does everyone try to make it so black and white. She displays skill in every fight she has been in.


Na-uh, we already went through this.

When Faora fought Superman one on one, she beat his ass up and she did so without any weapons.

On those times WW fought DD one on one, most of the time he was distracted by other combatants. On the times where he as able to focus solely on her, she was the one getting knocked around other than a few good shots (arm cut for example), and she fought him with weapons.


See the difference?

This fight = h2h
Faora's feats = h2h
WW's feats = not h2h


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Na-uh, we already went through this.

When Faora fought Superman one on one, she beat his ass up and she did so without any weapons.

On those times WW fought DD one on one, most of the time he was distracted by other combatants. On the times where he as able to focus solely on her, she was the one getting knocked around other than a few good shots (arm cut for example), and she fought him with weapons.


See the difference?

This fight = h2h
Faora's feats = h2h
WW's feats = not h2h
Due to him not being confident he trying to protect innocents. Superman was distracted by protecting the innocents. Faora also failed despite help against him.


You ignore the same variables you say disqualify for your biased side. No one thinks faora can win when she went all out. WW did not against a more confident Superman not worried about innocents.


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Due to him not being confident he trying to protect innocents. Superman was distracted by protecting the innocents. Faora also failed despite help against him.


You ignore the same variables you say disqualify for your biased side. No one thinks faora can win when she went all out. WW did not against a more confident Superman not worried about innocents.


What "same variables" do you claim I ignore?

WW had weapons, Faora did not.
Faora beat up her opponent in h2h, WW did not.


Nothing about that seems "the same"


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What "same variables" do you claim I ignore?

WW had weapons, Faora did not.
Faora beat up her opponent in h2h, WW did not.


Nothing about that seems "the same"
Doomsday you said was being distracted while Superman was distracted trying to protect the bystanders around him.

Faora briefly tagged an unconfident, distracted Superman. She was unable to beat him despite a 2-1 advantage. That is pathetic.


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Doomsday you said was being distracted while Superman was distracted trying to protect the bystanders around him.

Faora briefly tagged an unconfident, distracted Superman. She was unable to beat him despite a 2-1 advantage. That is pathetic.


Those are not the same variables and you know it.

Doomsday was being distracted by multiple opponents actively attacking him.

Superman was not being attacked by anyone else other than Faora in that diner. Neither was Faora attacking anyone else other than him. And, if you actually watched the clips I posted, you'd know that Faora beat him up in that diner one on one quite fairly, without any weapons or numeric advantage. Something that Wonder Woman never did against DD or Superman.


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