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He's right. Marvel is the McDonald's of cinema. Cheap and unhealthy.

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Originally posted by Patient_Leech
That's basically how I feel, except they've also made some utter shit, like Captain Marvel. Of course, no one except quanch gives them creepy loyalty. lol


Captain Marvel has grown on me after repeated viewings, but still yeah it's not up to the caliber of most marvel films.


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I'm just saying it's idiotic to write off such an accomplished filmmaker's opinion as just a "whiny bi#ch of an old man" (in your beautifully eloquent words). Obviously he cares about the integrity of film as an artform and not just a themepark machine for sucking money out of teens and fanboys. He probably would have felt the same way in his 30s, so being in his 70s likely has nothing to do with it. I think he could have qualified his statement a little bit more (for example it's obviously still cinema, just kitsch), but it is just a short blurb.

So yeah, you don't have to agree with him, but he has a point. A very good point.


If he cares about the integrity of film as an artform I'm not sure why he hasn't made similar comments about rom coms. Or hell most comedies in general wouldn't uphold the integrity of film as an art form. And forget marvel for a second, his logic would apply to all movies that are just mindless action movies. Hope you aren't a fan of the Fast and Furious franchise.

And I disagree I don't think he has a point. A shitty movie or a hugely successful movie that is good but lacks depth do not somehow take away from films with "integrity". What about some of his films? Is a cliche mob movie like "The Departed" a movie with integrity? Don't get me wrong, I like the film, but it's not like it brings anything new to the genre. And likewise I feel the upcoming "The Irishman" will be good, but I also am not expecting anything new to be brought to the genre.


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If he cares about the integrity of film as an artform I'm not sure why he hasn't made similar comments about rom coms. Or hell most comedies in general wouldn't uphold the integrity of film as an art form.


Romance, drama, comedy, etc... all fundamentally based on real-world human experience and emotion.

Nice try, though.


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Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Romance, drama, comedy, etc... all fundamentally based on real-world human experience and emotion.

Nice try, though.


So Eurotrip has integrity, but Avengers Infinity War does not?

EDIT: Also are you saying a movie must have real world human experience and emotion for it to have integrity?


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You just like to argue, Surt. Of course you can quibble over specific films.

But the point (that you seem to be missing) is that Avengers is a theme park ride not based in reality and comedy/romance, etc is based in reality.

That's his point, and it's a good one. I'm sorry it goes over your head.


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Originally posted by Patient_Leech
You just like to argue, Surt. Of course you can quibble over specific films.

But the point (that you seem to be missing) is that Avengers is a theme park ride not based in reality and comedy/romance, etc is based in reality.

That's his point, and it's a good one. I'm sorry it goes over your head.


I'm not missing his point I just disagree.


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Francis Ford Coppola joins the fight hahaha

https://news.yahoo.com/coppola-back...-173112180.html

"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration. I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again, Martin was kind when he said it's not cinema. He didn't say it's despicable, which I just say it is."

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But it's literally cinema.

Not that I don't agree mostly with their sentiment.


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Its like when you say Restaurant. TECHNICALLY McDonalds can be grouped in with places like Cheesecake Factory.

Now where near the same thing but TECHNICALLY....


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Originally posted by Drsoe08
Francis Ford Coppola joins the fight hahaha

https://news.yahoo.com/coppola-back...-173112180.html

"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration. I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again, Martin was kind when he said it's not cinema. He didn't say it's despicable, which I just say it is."


So what Coppola is saying we're not aloud to have some fun when we go to the movies, Always has be some educational experience.


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Originally posted by Drsoe08
Francis Ford Coppola joins the fight hahaha

https://news.yahoo.com/coppola-back...-173112180.html

"When Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel pictures are not cinema, he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema, we expect to gain something, some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspiration. I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again, Martin was kind when he said it's not cinema. He didn't say it's despicable, which I just say it is."

Says the guy who milked The Godfather for HOW many sequels?
And gave us the cinematic classic Captain EO...:

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Pot. Kettle. Black.


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How does making sequels equate at all with what he is saying?

You don't have to agree with him. But nothing he stated was hypocritical in the slightest.

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I just don't think it is up to any one person to try to define what cinema is. And you can certainly learn things from a Marvel film.


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Lol the more the Marvel fans get triggered over others opinions, the more big names are gonna speak out against Marvel.

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The fanatical fanbase of the MCU is now becoming an easy target.

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Looks more like it's the "big names" that are triggered.


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Looks more like it's the "big names" that are triggered.



Seems like you just got triggered by me calling them big names. If so youve ironically just proven whose getting more triggered.

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Seems more like you got triggered by me using "".


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Wow, I'd never thought the MCU fans would be so full of salt


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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lol the more the Marvel fans get triggered over others opinions, the more big names are gonna speak out against Marvel.


It's the opposite, it comes off once again like grouchy old men whining. Plus when you've made Godfather 3 you have no room to talk shit.


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