Darth Thor
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1) The Force Doppelganger was leaving no footprints.
2) Artillery blaster barrage passed right through it.
3) Even Kylo the Brainless realized it was intangible (though it took him ages and he had to poke it with his saber to make sure).
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Even medieval spellcasters from worlds based on Dungeons&Dragons can cast harmful illusions.
Luke created a shitty one and died from the effort.
Disney Luke is the worst Jedi ever.
He was able to touch Leia though. And Kylo and Leia both held those dice from the Millennium Falcon before they disappeared.
Dec 28th, 2019 04:33 PM
StiltmanFTW
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darth Thor
He was able to touch Leia though. And Kylo and Leia both held those dice from the Millennium Falcon before they disappeared.
Yes. Very limited interaction.
Battle-wise, it was a non-feat, unless your opponents are as easily duped as Ben the Half-wit.
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Dec 28th, 2019 04:38 PM
Darth Thor
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes. Very limited interaction.
Battle-wise, it was a non-feat, unless your opponents are as easily duped as Ben the Half-wit.
Thats what im saying. WOULD HAVE been bad ass if they went that route, as physical interaction was already shown as possible.
Dec 28th, 2019 04:39 PM
StiltmanFTW
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Desann made two illusions of himself without needing to meditate on it
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Dec 28th, 2019 04:47 PM
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Stronger than ROTJ Palpatine if he ****ed up Snoke.
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Dec 28th, 2019 05:17 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Stronger than ROTJ Palpatine if he ****ed up Snoke.
Luke never ****ed up Snoke - Snoke is grown looking that way on purpose.
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Dec 28th, 2019 07:19 PM
Darth Thor
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Stronger than ROTJ Palpatine if he ****ed up Snoke.
As much as id love this to be true, it would all depend on what kind of Saber skills/training Snoke has. Which as far as we know is still nothing.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Lighter332
Luke never ****ed up Snoke - Snoke is grown looking that way on purpose.
And yes this is the other problem. With the films ignoring so much of the comics and novels, we really have to take the one Snoke = Palpatine statement from the one source book (posing as Lukes journal) with a grain of salt.
Dec 28th, 2019 07:52 PM
Galan007
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darth Thor
He was able to touch Leia though. And Kylo and Leia both held those dice from the Millennium Falcon before they disappeared.
His robes were also blowing in the wind.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes. Very limited interaction.
Battle-wise, it was a non-feat, unless your opponents are as easily duped as Ben the Half-wit.
Luke's projection could almost certainly be sensed in the force as though Luke himself were actually there. So Kylo wouldn't have known any different until he made physical contact with it.
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Dec 28th, 2019 08:08 PM
Lighter332
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darth Thor
And yes this is the other problem. With the films ignoring so much of the comics and novels, we really have to take the one Snoke = Palpatine statement from the one source book (posing as Lukes journal) with a grain of salt.
TROS makes it clear Snoke was nothing but an empty sock-puppet created and controlled by Palpatine.
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Dec 28th, 2019 08:18 PM
Galan007
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darth Thor
As much as id love this to be true, it would all depend on what kind of Saber skills/training Snoke has. Which as far as we know is still nothing.
We don't know what the 'battle' between Luke and Snoke entailed.
But we do know that they definitely had a run-in, and it apparently didn't go in Snoke's favor:
https://i.imgur.com/TngzSjc.jpg
We also know that Snoke came to respect AND fear Luke:
https://i.imgur.com/JdqxVvB.jpg
So as of now, all signs point to Luke being more powerful than Snoke.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darth Thor
we really have to take the one Snoke = Palpatine statement from the one source book (posing as Lukes journal) with a grain of salt.
Luke would have obviously been using RotJ Palpatine as a measuring stick for Snoke's power here:
https://i.imgur.com/ts5q5Zy.jpg
And in Luke's opinion, Snoke ~ RotJ Palpatine.
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Dec 28th, 2019 08:20 PM
StiltmanFTW
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
His robes were also blowing in the wind.
Luke's projection could almost certainly be sensed in the force as though Luke himself were actually there. So Kylo wouldn't have known any different until he made physical contact with it.
Or maybe Kylo's Force Senses suck
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Dec 28th, 2019 09:31 PM
Lighter332
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
We don't know what the 'battle' between Luke and Snoke entailed.
But we do know that they definitely had a run-in, and it apparently didn't go in Snoke's favor:
https://i.imgur.com/TngzSjc.jpg
We also know that Snoke came to respect AND fear Luke:
https://i.imgur.com/JdqxVvB.jpg
So as of now, all signs point to Luke being more powerful than Snoke.
Luke would have obviously been using RotJ Palpatine as a measuring stick for Snoke's power here:
https://i.imgur.com/ts5q5Zy.jpg
And in Luke's opinion, Snoke ~ RotJ Palpatine.
TROS pretty much retcons all of that - now it is revealed that Snoke was nothing more than a sock-puppet used by Palpatine.
Batches of Snokes are grown like chia-pets by Palpatine in a cloning-Vat.
Palpatine had so many Snokes, he could hand them out as gifts to his guests at parties.
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Dec 28th, 2019 09:32 PM
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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It”s also important to consider that canon consistently backs up the idea that Luke by ROTJ was a match for Vader, who in turn is much closer to ROTJ Palpatine than his legends counterpart. Give him years of growth and study, coupled with his defeat of Snoke, and I can easily see him being on or above the level of ROTJ Palpatine.
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Dec 28th, 2019 10:38 PM
Darth Thor
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^ Where does Disney canon back that idea of Luke > Vader in ROTJ?
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
We also know that Snoke came to respect AND fear Luke:
https://i.imgur.com/JdqxVvB.jpg
So as of now, all signs point to Luke being more powerful than Snoke.
Well Snoke doesnt quite admit being his inferior there. He seems to think a dark side Luke would take Kylos place at Snokes side.
That said im sure its been mentioned somewhere that Snoke is using Kylo to destroy Luke, implying he cant do it.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Luke would have obviously been using RotJ Palpatine as a measuring stick for Snoke's power here:
https://i.imgur.com/ts5q5Zy.jpg
And in Luke's opinion, Snoke ~ RotJ Palpatine.
Well in the Force. We still have no idea how good Snoke is in Sabers.
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Dec 28th, 2019 10:50 PM
ares834
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The fact that Snoke wasn't even fit to become Sidious's apprentice is telling. Honestly, as of now, he is sub-Maul.
Dec 28th, 2019 11:12 PM
Darth Thor
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by ares834
The fact that Snoke wasn't even fit to become Sidious's apprentice is telling. Honestly, as of now, he is sub-Maul.
Does Disney Sidious even want/need an apprentice though?
Cant quite recall what his plans for Kylo were.
Dec 28th, 2019 11:20 PM
ares834
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According to the VD, Snoke was testing and grooming him too become a Sith. He was designed to act as Kylo's "final crucible". Kek what a cuck.
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Dec 28th, 2019 11:24 PM
CaveDude33211
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Lighter332
TROS pretty much retcons all of that - now it is revealed that Snoke was nothing more than a sock-puppet used by Palpatine.
Batches of Snokes are grown like chia-pets by Palpatine in a cloning-Vat.
Palpatine had so many Snokes, he could hand them out as gifts to his guests at parties.
Good point. I forgot about the tank full of Snoke clones.
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Dec 28th, 2019 11:45 PM
Galan007
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well in the Force. We still have no idea how good Snoke is in Sabers.
Oh Snoke would most likely be garbage in sabers. He's still a borderline cripple, after all.
I'm just talking about his power with the force.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darth Thor
Does Disney Sidious even want/need an apprentice though?
Nope. The 'one Sith' concept seemed to be in full effect in this film.
There's no reason for Palpatine to have a proper apprentice, when he already held the power of every Sith in history. All he was essentially looking for was a new vessel to transfer his essence/power into(until he stumbled upon the 'dyad-powa!!!' that could restore him, of course).
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Dec 28th, 2019 11:49 PM
Darth Thor
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Galan007
Oh Snoke would most likely be garbage in sabers. He's still a borderline cripple, after all.
I'm just talking about his power with the force.
Oh I forgot it was confirmed somewhere that his guards were there for his protection Because hes a Cripple.
Meh hes useless. I still think even TLJ Kylo could have taken him in a fair 1 v 1 confrontation. So its little surprise Luke screws him up.
Dec 29th, 2019 12:30 AM
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