The OP of thread asked which feat is better. He didn’t asked why X or Y feat are better. If I asked you which feat was better, Superman KOing WF or Thing KOing Hulk. I’m not asking you why one feat was achievable. Im just asking which is better
There is no need to put layers of depth in a very simple question.
You are trying to make a discussion for no reason
And how many multiversal feats does Owen have under his belt again?
You do know Mxy is by nature a comedic character right? It’s even made more clear when Mxy interacted with the Looney Toons for god sakes.
I love how Mxy destroying the Omniverse is not consistent, but Owen showing the multiverse in a box is.
Mxy has never been beaten when he tries, unless you count Prime. Anytime Mxy loses, there’s a specific reasons why. Hell, most of his lost to Clark is because he allows them to happen.
While where on the subject, how many times has Owen lose again?
Anyway, the QUESTION here is which FEAT is better. At the very least the Owen scene is AMBIGUOUS. That entire comic was one giant metaphor, so why in the hell would we take the multiverse in a box thing literally, when the context of the issue heavily suggests the opposite?
On the other hand, the Mxy scene is NOT ambiguous. That WAS the ACTUAL multiverse. Unquestionably.
Again- one of those showings is an ACTUAL feat. The other more than likely isn't. Hence Mxy's FEAT is better because we know for sure that it's the REAL multiverse.
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Well it’s highly unlikely the MM scene is meant to be valid. When it first came out I took it literal, but seeing MM’s showings and statements since they have put him more universal in power.
So I do believe it was meant as a metaphor but I could be wrong
In hindsight, I definitely think that the "multiverse in a box" scene was intended to be a primarily metaphorical, visual representation of the Marvel multiverse -- not an actual multiverse that Owen randomly put in a shoebox.
Owen was simplifying Schrodinger's thought experiment to Lifebringer, which revolves around the principal of quantum possibilities -- hence his initial 'cat in the box' analogy(look it up, it's an actual thing.)
That being said, the takeaway of the thought experiment is ultimately: "Whatever you may think you know, you don't really know what's in the box until you open it up and look inside" -- and that's what Owen was conveying to Lifebringer there with his visual representation of the multiverse. It was his way of explaining that much of what used to be in the previous creation, still was.
I mean, the whole issue was full of metaphors. It also started and ended with the myth of Sisyphus and the impossible task, for example: https://i.imgur.com/W3e6B4U.jpg
With that in mind, Owen begins explaining the human thought experiment to Lifebringer, using Schrodinger's 'cat in a box' paradox as an analogy. However, he then shifts their discussion to the current state of the multiverse using the same basic analogy: that everything isn't necessarily as it seems -- there could be anything inside the box('box' being a metaphor for the new/unsolidified Marvel multiverse that was in a state of flux at the time.)
The 'multiverse in a box' seemed to have been intended as a purely visual aid that Owen used to help Lifebringer see the bigger picture. All context considered, we are really never led to believe that he placed an actual/full-scale multiverse inside a shoebox for the lulz, just to randomly show it off like that... Imo, it's akin to the visual representation of a universe that Franklin whipped-up for Galactus here:
As for Owen himself: he was definitely intended to be quite powerful under Ewing -- above Lifebringer, for sure... But also keep in mind that Marvel's entire cosmology was brand new(and extremely unstable) during The Ultimates, and as a result, things were able to happen that wouldn't normally be possible in a fully 'solidified' cosmos. This fact was repeatedly stated/shown on panel: https://i.imgur.com/SXTFvjw.jpg
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Well I missed a lot in marvel but I know that Beyonder/Owen/Mephisto can alter the characteristics of anything. I believe that is what Owen was explaining to Galactus.
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