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Are force users getting too powerful?
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Eli Vanto
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I really wish we would have seen more of Kylo freezing blaster fire and the like

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That was SO badass when I first saw TFA. big grin


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It's kind of impractical honestly, at least in combat practice. One is better off just diverting or deflecting them.


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Originally posted by Zentrex
Also, while we're on the topic, how powerful do you think canon force users are now?

We have:
Force Stasis
Force Sleep
Mind Probe
Force Projection
Force Bond
Force Heal (Phyiscal AND emotional damange, apparently)
And that's not counting all the weird things from the comics, and whatever knowledge Luke and Palpatine had collected.

It gets even crazier when you start to consider other, more creative applications of the above powers.
Like does force stasis allow also "remember" the movement of an object while it's frozen? Like if you were to throw a ball and then put it in stasis and then take it out of stasis, would it continue flying in the same direction at the same speed? If so, does that mean jedi can "absorb" kinetic energy now, like Black Panther?
Also, with force bond, we know they can teleport matter, but do they teleport themselves, or are they in two places at once?
Could you force-bond with an animal? Then you could pretty much teleport anywhere, considering there's even creatures living in space.
And then you bring in TWBW, and now they can see and even interact with anything that's ever happened in history or is happening right now.

So how do these characters compare to their Legends counterparts, or other fictional characters? How much destructive/constructive power do they have?


Those powers are really nothing your standard Jedi Padawan/Knight/Master or Sith equivalent can't do from previous lore.


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It's kind of impractical honestly, at least in combat practice. One is better off just diverting or deflecting them.


Wouldn't it be practical at times to keep them harmlessly hanging in the air? And as I said earlier, they could absorb kinetic energy (making them immune to physical damage) and release it later. That's breaking the 3rd law of physics. There must be some good application for that.

Also Cal Kestis uses it just so he has some bolts floating around in case he needs them.

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Those powers are really nothing your standard Jedi Padawan/Knight/Master or Sith equivalent can't do from previous lore.


Unless I'm mistaken, you couldn't teleport through space, see what was happening across the galaxy, see and interact with any event in history and heal mental scars.

And then there's the point about possibly being in two places at once with the Force Dyad.

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Another thought: We met Immortal Rur who could turn himself into a mist of sorts. Rur in legends was very different.
We also saw the Abersyn Symbiotes and how they somehow enhanced the powers of a force user.
And the hookspore fungus which essentially created a hive mind force user, who was made of a million different quasi-unkillable bacteria which could split into multiple collective bodies but stay attached to one mind.


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Wouldn't it be practical at times to keep them harmlessly hanging in the air? And as I said earlier, they could absorb kinetic energy (making them immune to physical damage) and release it later. That's breaking the 3rd law of physics. There must be some good application for that.

Also Cal Kestis uses it just so he has some bolts floating around in case he needs them.



Unless I'm mistaken, you couldn't teleport through space, see what was happening across the galaxy, see and interact with any event in history and heal mental scars.

And then there's the point about possibly being in two places at once with the Force Dyad.


Why would you want to keep them in the air right in the middle of combat? Now you're having to focus on keeping them still while also fighting, which doesn't really make much sense if all you're intending to do is kill the enemy or incap them.

It's just something that looks cool, but I honestly don't see why one would use it for combat when there's much better and easier solutions.

I was mainly referring to the powers you specifically listed, not that Force Dyad thing which is clearly something unique to Rey/Ben specifically. Same with TWBW, that's not really a power though in either case.

Also teleporting objects, it's pretty much just Fold Space which the Aing-Tii could do along with others who learned it.


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Force Dyad was a poor man's Force Harmony stolen from Dark Empire.

They had no ideas of their own.


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Force Dyad was a poor man's Force Harmony stolen from Dark Empire.

They had no ideas of their own.


How's that? Didn't they like, duel in various places of the past or something with it?

Also speaking of Force Harmony, I just realized that the Shadow Guards of all Force Users can do it...huh...well that's certainly something, never thought I'd see that.


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I was mainly referring to the powers you specifically listed


Fair enough

I thought that "Force Stasis" was its own power specifically because you didn't have to concentrate on keeping the bolts still anymore. You could just make them still once and they'd stay that way.


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Fair enough

I thought that "Force Stasis" was its own power specifically because you didn't have to concentrate on keeping the bolts still anymore. You could just make them still once and they'd stay that way.


Given that the bolt we see Kylo does eventually move, there is clearly a limit on how long it's either there, or Kylo released it, in which case they can't just be there indefinitely and require some measure of concentrate to be kept still regardless.

My bigger question is, why they made this Force Stasis a main ability for it rather than...just have it be an application of TK. I mean Vader essentially did the same what Kylo did in the Coruscant Night series against I-5, only it was just an application of TK.


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I really wish we would have seen more of Kylo freezing blaster fire and the like

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That was SO badass when I first saw TFA. big grin



Probably still the best scene in the entire trilogy.

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Eli Vanto
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definitely up there.

I remember seeing TFA for the first time in theaters and chuckling like an idiot when Kylo did that. stick out tongue

.......Then it never happened. He didn't even attempt it again lmao. Such a letdown.


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Originally posted by Zenwolf
Given that the bolt we see Kylo does eventually move, there is clearly a limit on how long it's either there, or Kylo released it, in which case they can't just be there indefinitely and require some measure of concentrate to be kept still regardless.


You can’t know that for sure. Maybe he locked it into place, inertia and all, and then consciously unlocked it out of stasis.

If it was just holding it in place, then he wouldn’t have called it another power, and it wouldn’t have been reincorporated when he froze Rey. It’s TK the same way that force choke is TK

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I don”t really see an issue with it at all, no. Everything from legends was “exaggerated” to one extent or another compared to what we saw in the films.


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I don't think Rey and Kylo are overpowered in actual combat. And Palpatine destroying fleets single-handedly is nothing we haven't seen before in Legends.

Regardless of their powers or lack thereof, the movie is absolutely terrible. I expected nothing more from the conclusive film of this abysmal trilogy, though.


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