we don't know the circumstances between his duel with Sidious
but in terms of Force abilities Vader is laughably more powerful
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Fvck off with that shit. It wasn't circumstantial.
And yes, A>B>C Logic does work in most of these fights.
And yes, Mace does wreck Vader's shit, here.
Vader would avoid Mace if he were still around, and use stormtroopers to distract him.
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Yeah we do - we have a whole movie and a novel that goes into extensive depth about it.
And Mace's TK is close to Dooku and Yoda - and Vader's.
And Mace has abilities that Vader doesn't have, like Vapaad and Shatterpoint.
Vader would avoid fighting Mace directly if he were still around.
Mace cuts Vader down, or Force Crushes his chest, like he did to Grievous.
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And vice-versa.
With Vapaad, their destructive abilities should be evenly-matched.
All that remains is a lightsaber duel - in which Mace would emerge victorious.
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What do we have on Vader's pure lightsaber skills in his prime? If sidious cannot overpower Mace with the force, vader won't be able to either, and Mace is very very good.
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The Return Of The Jedi novelization confirms that Darth Vader was at his peak when he fought Luke on the second Death Star:
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Mace Windu was at his peak when he defeated Darth Sidious:
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Mace Windu wins.
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I think this fight is much closer than people might think.
In canon, Vader is confirmed a greater duelist than Sidious. In rots, Sidious is a 9 and Mace is an "8, bordering on 9" on the Nic Gillard/Goerge Lucas scale.
In terms of force powers, Vader became more powerful after rots (see lots novel, crazy feats in comics, etc). Before Disney, Lucas said Anakin was as powerful as the emperor, and then after Mustafar he was 80% of the emperor. Now that the new canon has established Vader is more powerful after the suit, he's more powerful than Sidious was in rots (the same guy who beat Yoda)...
I'm certainly willing to have my mind changed and I'm not so certain Vader would beat Mace. All I'm saying is you can make a decent argument for Vader.
Vader wins, hes a beast with the Force and with his added physical strength his lightsaber style can penetrate Windus, not saying it'll be easy but Vade can get it done
also Mace didn't beat Sidious in any way shape from or fashion so get over it; I've never seen a character benefit from white guilt as much as Mace Windu did in that fight
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Are you fvcking dumb? Mace could replicate that feat against any Dark Sider at Sidious's level of power - that's the whole point of Vapaad.
And Mace's Force Feats are roughly equal to that of Dooku, Vader and Yoda.
And Sidious is a million times faster than Vader, who fights at 1MPH.
Mace took down Sidious and he'd take down Vader just as easily.
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Either way, Mace still destroys Vader.
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