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Where and when was he unbalanced? Give examples if you can. Also, who could challenge him when not even TOAA was able to do anything against him.


I'm talking about TOAA not Thanos. But Thanos wasn't omnipotent either as seen by pip, eros and AW.


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It was made clear when Lucifer created his own verse, it rivals the current Vertigo verse in scope.

It was also made clear when Michael returned to the Silver City, that he was holding everything together by literally becoming one with everything.

Elaine has showned no weakness as far as I’m concerned, when TOAA who is suppose to be Omnipotent was taken over by Thanos.

She’s suppose to be the new presence
If so, he has shown to be limited in power as well. Not only is GEB his equal (or other half) but he did admit that he was molded by others


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She’s suppose to be the new presence
If so, he has shown to be limited in power as well. Not only is GEB his equal (or other half) but he did admit that he was molded by others



geb merged with presence in Swamp Thing.


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Rectonned.

It was later stated that a peak Spectre(who only represents a fraction of the Presnece's power) > GEB.


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Rectonned.

It was later stated that a peak Spectre(who only represents a fraction of the Presnece's power) > GEB.


The JSA story.


That smelled like an unnecessary jab at Alan Moore, as if the writer didn't want his Ragnarok arc overshadowed. Didn't make sense, since it contradicts the story of Presence himself being threatened.


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I'm talking about TOAA not Thanos. But Thanos wasn't omnipotent either as seen by pip, eros and AW.


Okay, so Thanos was composed of every single entity, and every single molecule in the Marvel Omniverse except for Eros, Pip, and Adam Warlock. Do you feel as if those 3 critically reduced his power level? Just think about it for a second. The only reason that he couldn't detect Pip was because he was in close proximity to Eros who became an anomaly like Adam Warlock has always been. Thanos as far as I understood superceded TOAA and is pretty much the new TOAA.


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She’s suppose to be the new presence
If so, he has shown to be limited in power as well. Not only is GEB his equal (or other half) but he did admit that he was molded by others


You do know molded by others meant the writers right?

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Okay, so Thanos was composed of every single entity, and every single molecule in the Marvel Omniverse except for Eros, Pip, and Adam Warlock. Do you feel as if those 3critically reduced his power level? Just think about it for a second. The only reason that the couldn't detect Pip was because he was in close proximity to Eros who became an anomaly like Adam Warlock has always been. Thanos as far as I understood superceded TOAA and is pretty much the new TOAA.


You cannot be a true omnipotent being without absolute omniscient. The fact that Thanos was unable to locate those is proof that he is not a true Omnipotent.

Nothing say that it won’t change down the line-ie via retcon-but as of now, Thanos lacks true Omnipotence.

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You cannot be a true omnipotent being without absolute omniscient. The fact that Thanos was unable to locate those is proof that he is not a true Omnipotent.

Nothing say that it won’t change down the line-ie via retcon-but as of now, Thanos lacks true Omnipotence.


i'll ask you the very same question. Do you feel as if those 3 critically reduced his power level? Think before you answer please.


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You cannot be a true omnipotent being without absolute omniscient. The fact that Thanos was unable to locate those is proof that he is not a true Omnipotent.

Nothing say that it won’t change down the line-ie via retcon-but as of now, Thanos lacks true Omnipotence.
Tbf, this happens in most cases where character acquires 'godlike' power... It typically takes them a while to become accustomed to the full breadth of their omnipotence/omniscience.

Elaine is no different. She is effectively 'God', but she still isn't fully omniscient.


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Okay, so Thanos was composed of every single entity, and every single molecule in the Marvel Omniverse except for Eros, Pip, and Adam Warlock. Do you feel as if those 3 critically reduced his power level? Just think about it for a second. The only reason that he couldn't detect Pip was because he was in close proximity to Eros who became an anomaly like Adam Warlock has always been. Thanos as far as I understood superceded TOAA and is pretty much the new TOAA.



TOAA is not omnipotent because he couldn't stop Thanos.
Thanos wasn't omnipotent because he couldn't stop AW, Pip and Eros.
TOAA explicitly explained to LT that he wasn't omnipotent as he was only so in a balanced system.
Thanos couldn't locate Pip and AW so he wasn't omniscient.
TOAA wasn't multiversal because he couldn't overcome the regulators power which was stated to only be universal.
Omnipotence means the ability to do anything and TOAA/Thanos tried and failed to do multiple things.
That also means that there are well defined limits to their power.


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You do know molded by others meant the writers right?
we don’t know that. I could tell you it’s the Original Monitor or Perpetua..etc


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Rectonned.

It was later stated that a peak Spectre(who only represents a fraction of the Presnece's power) > GEB.

You have issue number?


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https://i.imgur.com/aNzEnas.jpg
Spectre v2 #1



Forgot about that.

I was talking more about the direct reference in the final JSA story when they went to Ragnarok, and Spectre claims a mere fraction of his power was facing the GEB at the same time as that story.

Neither retcon makes sense, because Moore built up the GEB as the equal of the Presence, and doom for everything. The greatest mages at the time confirmed this was a crisis unlike any other. Spectre was crying and helpless fgs, why wouldn't he simply recall some of this vast reserve of power?


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i'll ask you the very same question. Do you feel as if those 3 critically reduced his power level? Think before you answer please.


In a way, yes. It doesn’t mean in the next issues that Thanos won’t gain true Omniscient.

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we don’t know that. I could tell you it’s the Original Monitor or Perpetua..etc


Of course it was. That’s why we don’t literally take it at face value when it said cats dreamed the presence to being.

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TOAA is not omnipotent because he couldn't stop Thanos.
Thanos wasn't omnipotent because he couldn't stop AW, Pip and Eros.
TOAA explicitly explained to LT that he wasn't omnipotent as he was only so in a balanced system.
Thanos couldn't locate Pip and AW so he wasn't omniscient.
TOAA wasn't multiversal because he couldn't overcome the regulators power which was stated to only be universal.
Omnipotence means the ability to do anything and TOAA/Thanos tried and failed to do multiple things.
That also means that there are well defined limits to their power.


TOAA was omnipotent. Plot opened a hole for Thanos to usurp that very same omnipotence that made up TOAA. Thanos is currently TOAA and I suspect that his ascension will be a permanent one.

Eros, and Adam Warlock are anomalies and Pip is as well, albeit to a lesser degree. Without Eros being in close proximity to Pip, Thanos would've easily located the Troll. Warlock has always been an anomaly, so it's no wonder that Thanos has trouble seeing Adam Warlock. I'm not 100 on why Eros becomes omniversally anomalous, but he is.

What are these multiples of things that he could not accomplish, because at this point it seems like you're caught up with a Trio that Hercules may be able to defeat. What about all of the other things in the omniverse that make up for all that he is? Real talk, you seem overcritical here.


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TOAA was omnipotent. Plot opened a hole for Thanos to usurp that very same omnipotence that made up TOAA. Thanos is currently TOAA and I suspect that his ascension will be a permanent one.

Eros, and Adam Warlock are anomalies and Pip is as well, albeit to a lesser degree. Without Eros being in close proximity to Pip, Thanos would've easily located the Troll. Warlock has always been an anomaly, so it's no wonder that Thanos has trouble seeing Adam Warlock. I'm not 100 on why Eros becomes omniversally anomalous, but he is.

What are these multiples of things that he could not accomplish, because at this point it seems like you're caught up with a Trio that Hercules may be able to defeat. What about all of the other things in the omniverse that make up for all that he is? Real talk, you seem overcritical here.
Sin isn’t Saying that thanos can’t defeat these three, they are lesser than ants are to us. She’s basically saying that TOAA isn’t infallible and thanos by absorbing TOAA didn’t become infallible. Omnipotentet, omnipresent or other Omni stuff.

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Sin isn’t Saying that thanos can’t defeat these three, they are lesser than ants are to us. She’s basically saying that TOAA isn’t infallible and thanos by absorbing TOAA didn’t become infallible. Omnipotentet, omnipresent or other Omni stuff.


Based on those 3. Not a good enough reason imo. Read the book, and tell me what it says. Once you do that, look up what TOAA is. Thanos snuck in the back door and usurped that power. If I missed something aside from the three of these guys that would likely lose to a mid to high herald, it really changes little as far as the scope of TOAA's powers. Adam Warlock as I mentioned has always been out of sync with reality. His anomalous nature was argued by Eternity when he was stripped of the Infinity Gauntlet.

Like I said, read up on what TOAA was/is.


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