Sure it does. That thing was measured to radiate 133 hercs worth of mystical energy output. A measurement whose origins was born out of measuring the output from a physical act... From a god of strength no less.
If that thing was fighting Hulk physically and a Hulk fan says that Hulk overpowered a creature capable of outputting attacks 133 times the power of Herc, i wouldnt bat an eye. Well maybe a little.
Your problem shouldnt be at those Hulk fans. Ure problem should be with Pak. He created this stupidity.
Pak using a punch doesn't mean anything, only that it sounds cool.
WBH at his angriest, when he was literally stomping Fin Fang Foom:
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(Who, btw, measured 17.34 Hercs): (please log in to view the image)
Was only 0.21 Hercs himself: (please log in to view the image)
It's a good feat for Hulk against magic based attacks, sure. But not against physical attacks. As you say, it measures mystical energy. Foom is literally 83 times as 'Hercy' as WBH there....means bupkis in terms of him being able to not be stomped.
Baba Yaga's chicken house measured 1.3 Hercs: (please log in to view the image)
That DOESN'T mean that her house is 6200% physically stronger than the most powerful Hulk we have ever seen on panel. All it means is that her house is 6200% more MAGICAL/mythological than WBH.
To reiterate: Hulk surviving (he was KOd) 133.45 Hercs, doesn't mean he withstood the physical equivalent of 133.45 of Hercules' punches. It means he survived an attack that was the equivalent of 133.45 times the magical energy radiated by 1 of Herc's punches/
It's really simple, and no idea why you or others have to complicate things. We already have scientific units for physical force, lol. None for magical force.
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Last edited by DarkSaint85 on Feb 17th, 2020 at 09:55 PM
Because I messaged Galan, and he suggested a thread to collect all the arguments together, after which he will read them, then post a mod ruling once and for all either way.
This is actually going to be the last time we get to debate this properly. After which it will be definitively answered once and for all, and either I or you lot will have to keep quiet.
And my argument is that it's a measure of how magical something is - Hulk withstanding 133.45 Hercs isn't him withstanding the physical equivalent of 133.45 punches, or Herc's best punch x 133.45.
Its less than that. How much less? Don't know. Of the energy given off from Herc's punch, I don't know how much of it is mystical.
And no one does.
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Last edited by DarkSaint85 on Feb 17th, 2020 at 10:17 PM
I'm not talking about the energy type or it's catalyst. That isn't relevant. The only thing that is relevant are the Hercs. Did you read what I wrote? Anything that registers on the Herc scale shows how powerful any given mythical being is in direct comparison to the amount of power generated by a punch from the mythical Immortal Hercules. And it is indirectly physical, because of the mythical creatures ability to affect the physical world. Hope had the ability to harm non mythical creatures, which is a very physical action, denoting power strength.
On the Hulk's side; he was still able to physically resist an attack that may have torn another character apart. Once again, If I ever claimed that the Hulk, or any other non mythical creature could register on the Herc scale, it was certainly an error. I'm not talking about that though.
Hope could effect the physical universe. It doesn't matter whether it's with a punch, blaster attack, psi attack, liquid attack, pussy attack etc. The entity known as Hope was recorded to be as powerful as 133.5 Hercs. It wasn't actually stated that Hope could hit with 133.5 Hercs of force, if we're fully understanding the context. Just that Hope was weighed and measured to be 133 .5 Hercs.
Care to take a shot at how many Hercs Hope was actually able to hit with?
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Last edited by Stoic on Feb 18th, 2020 at 05:35 AM
The radiation of nuclear bombs has a physical effect on the physical world, just like tradional bombs, but the resulting radiation of the former affects the physical world very differently.
My point is, even if I was the world's strongest man, the amount of heat I radiate off a punch is incredibly tiny relative to being hit by the actual punch itself.
A mug of hot coffee would be hotter than 133.45 times the heat of my punch.
I have underlined what my quibble is. It actually takes a LOT out if all I am measuring is the magical level. Just like Ares or Hercules would be 1 Herc, it doesn't mean that they're punching with more power than DS merged Sentry, who would punch with 0 Hercs.
I think it's a worthy topic of debate, doesn't involve Superman (for once) and actually tests knowledge and debate skills.
Plus, for once, thanks to Galan modding, it actually has ramifications for the forum. How often can we get a topic that actually goes somewhere, and that we ALL have a say in?
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Feb 17th, 2020 09:30 PM
I think it's a worthy topic of debate, doesn't involve Superman (for once) and actually tests knowledge and debate skills.
